Photos For Dante...

Pete Ebbink · 07-20-2007, 04:16 PM

Hey Dante,

Here are some photos of the holster we had been discussing last week...

Questions :

1. Can anyone help with the translation of the maker's marking next to the "1916" date ?

2. Do folks think this holster has had a bit of its front pouch trimmed down a bit along the left side where it connects to the back panel ?

Dante and I were debating whether it has been cut down or left the saddler with its left side dipping down some...

the gunman · 07-20-2007, 08:42 PM

Very interesting markings on this holster. Never seen them stamped like that. Commerical..? but with a 1916 date..?

RockinWR · 07-20-2007, 09:01 PM

Pete,
* The holster's maker, sans umlat(s), is "Vereinigte Fabrikanten/fur Militarlederzeuge/ G.M.b.H/Soligen.' which I very loosely paraphase as: "Association for the Fabrication of military leather item, Inc., Soligen"

* John Walther, "The Luger Book", Pg. 282, Item, V9iii. His reported example was dated 1915 and supposedly had an "S" in a triangle as the trademark stamp. Since 1916 follows 1915....maybe a "T" in a triangle followed an "S" in a triangle Trademark. More likely, the "S" and "T" indicates which firm within the Association actually was responsible for the item marked.

* My 2 centavos for a starter.

Respectfully,
Bob

Ron Wood · 07-20-2007, 09:08 PM

Pete,
I can't make out the second word. I have tried to enhance the image but it is still too blurry. What I can read says "United ???? for Military Leather Items". The G.M.B.H. is "Gesellschaft mit beschrÃ?Â¤nkter Haftung" which is roughly an industrial organization with limited liability.

Bob got it...his eyes are better than mine!

I thought the first letter was a "G" so I never would have guessed Fabrikanten

Pete Ebbink · 07-20-2007, 10:55 PM

Bob and Ron,

Thanks, guys, for the info. and link to the Walter book info. !

Neat holster...I was most curious about the maker. Will probably mate it with an Erfurt I have.

BTW...here is the eBay link when it ran on eBay.

It took some cleaning, but it cleaned up nicely.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=150141275030

KGR84 · 07-21-2007, 04:53 AM

Fu** sh** egay, I can't see this auktion.

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Pete Ebbink · 07-21-2007, 11:24 AM

eBay photos...

Dante Di Pietro Jr. · 07-24-2007, 05:39 PM

Hi Pete, First time Ive been on this forum in a long time. Your Holster looks correct to me, If it was cut down the stitching would not be present. Nice looking holster with an interesting maker. I wonder if it was made by an apprentence? The low gun but side is an odd varaition that I have never seen before.
Thanks
Dante

lugerholsterrepair · 07-24-2007, 07:57 PM

Pete, Dante is on the right track. Having made a number of these in my career I can tell you this is because the measurements were not taken correctly. The front of the holster is made, cast or molded then cut ...It is more or less a fixture. Making a Luger holster starts at the magazine pouch and ends where you see this small step. If the front body has been cut a mite too short there is no stretching it. If one wants to end up with a holster you must do without. I have seen this occasionally on some of the many holsters I get to observe in the course of my work. I last saw it recently on an Artillery holster. An apprentice worker making this mistake is as good a guess as any...Jerry Burney

Pete Ebbink · 07-24-2007, 08:31 PM

Thanks, Guys, for the additional input.

Ron Smith · 07-24-2007, 09:46 PM

Roman,

I see that your English is improving....

Edward Tinker · 07-24-2007, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ron Smith
Roman,

I see that your English is improving....

My dutch Opa said, "I first learned Colorado english..." (He served with a Colorado unit in WW2), however, his first english words were swear words.

07-20-2007, 04:16 PM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Photos For Dante... Hey Dante, Here are some photos of the holster we had been discussing last week... Questions : 1. Can anyone help with the translation of the maker's marking next to the "1916" date ? 2. Do folks think this holster has had a bit of its front pouch trimmed down a bit along the left side where it connects to the back panel ? Dante and I were debating whether it has been cut down or left the saddler with its left side dipping down some...

07-20-2007, 09:08 PM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Pete, I can't make out the second word. I have tried to enhance the image but it is still too blurry. What I can read says "United ???? for Military Leather Items". The G.M.B.H. is "Gesellschaft mit beschrÃ?Â¤nkter Haftung" which is roughly an industrial organization with limited liability. Bob got it...his eyes are better than mine! I thought the first letter was a "G" so I never would have guessed Fabrikanten __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-24-2007, 07:57 PM	#9
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Pete, Dante is on the right track. Having made a number of these in my career I can tell you this is because the measurements were not taken correctly. The front of the holster is made, cast or molded then cut ...It is more or less a fixture. Making a Luger holster starts at the magazine pouch and ends where you see this small step. If the front body has been cut a mite too short there is no stretching it. If one wants to end up with a holster you must do without. I have seen this occasionally on some of the many holsters I get to observe in the course of my work. I last saw it recently on an Artillery holster. An apprentice worker making this mistake is as good a guess as any...Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-24-2007, 09:46 PM	#11
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Roman, I see that your English is improving.... __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

07-20-2007, 08:42 PM	#2
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Very interesting markings on this holster. Never seen them stamped like that. Commerical..? but with a 1916 date..?

07-20-2007, 09:01 PM	#3
RockinWR User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: D/FW, Tx Posts: 279 Thanks: 109 Thanked 31 Times in 16 Posts	Pete, * The holster's maker, sans umlat(s), is "Vereinigte Fabrikanten/fur Militarlederzeuge/ G.M.b.H/Soligen.' which I very loosely paraphase as: "Association for the Fabrication of military leather item, Inc., Soligen" * John Walther, "The Luger Book", Pg. 282, Item, V9iii. His reported example was dated 1915 and supposedly had an "S" in a triangle as the trademark stamp. Since 1916 follows 1915....maybe a "T" in a triangle followed an "S" in a triangle Trademark. More likely, the "S" and "T" indicates which firm within the Association actually was responsible for the item marked. * My 2 centavos for a starter. Respectfully, Bob

07-20-2007, 10:55 PM	#5
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Bob and Ron, Thanks, guys, for the info. and link to the Walter book info. ! Neat holster...I was most curious about the maker. Will probably mate it with an Erfurt I have. BTW...here is the eBay link when it ran on eBay. It took some cleaning, but it cleaned up nicely. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=150141275030

07-21-2007, 04:53 AM	#6
KGR84 User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Vienna/Austria/Europe Posts: 36 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Fu sh egay, I can't see this auktion. Dear User: Unfortunately, access to this particular category or item has been blocked due to legal restrictions in your home country. Based on our discussions with concerned government agencies and eBay community members, we have taken these steps to reduce the chance of inappropriate items being displayed. Regrettably, in some cases this policy may prevent users from accessing items that do not violate the law. At this time, we are working on less restrictive alternatives. Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience this may cause you, and we hope you may find other items of interest on eBay. Thank You.

07-21-2007, 11:24 AM	#7
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	eBay photos...

07-24-2007, 05:39 PM	#8
Dante Di Pietro Jr. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Maine Posts: 73 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Pete, First time Ive been on this forum in a long time. Your Holster looks correct to me, If it was cut down the stitching would not be present. Nice looking holster with an interesting maker. I wonder if it was made by an apprentence? The low gun but side is an odd varaition that I have never seen before. Thanks Dante

07-24-2007, 08:31 PM	#10
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Thanks, Guys, for the additional input.