Help on grip Identifying.

RBorecky · 07-14-2007, 09:57 PM

I thought I seen a post on Grip differences as I am trying to find a set for my Fathers 42 code. I am a wood nut and look for details all the time. I want to know the differences in early and late if possible. Thanks,,Rick B

Edward Tinker · 07-15-2007, 03:14 PM

early and late 1940 / 42's or?

remember, they made lugers for over 50 years, with manufacturers by Erfurt, DWM (ww1 and earlier), DWM after WW1, Simson weimar era, Krieghoff and then same time period Mauser. Mauser is what I assume you are talking about, but my point is, 42 code spans more than one year, unless you mean, 42 as the year. 42's were made in 1939, 1940 and 41 marked lugers (I looked it up), while S/42 were made earlier...

Then, are you willing to accept factory correct "armorer" replacement marked with either eagle 655 or S/42 (Frank, please correct me if I am saying stupid things again, i.e. if E/655 and S/42 stamped would be incorrect for his year).

Ed

RBorecky · 07-15-2007, 03:38 PM

I did forget to say the one Luger Code 42 is dated 1941 that I am looking to get grips for. Right now it has repops on it.

I know see there is allot to learn. I am pretty sure my 1918 DWM are correct with a 8 and W on one grip and what looks to be a U. The dark edges from inside the magwell maybe hiding more.

One other thing I was wondering on my 1918 DWM,, were the toggle pins numbered for these?? My gun has everything numbered except these. Thanks,Rick B

Edward Tinker · 07-15-2007, 04:00 PM

numbering of pins was not required till the 1930's, I can look the exact date up if you need that. Pins for earlier lugers might be numbered if they passed through refurbishment, into police service, etc., but not always.

Lugerdoc · 07-16-2007, 08:28 AM

RB, Ed is correct that the rear axel of DWM & Erfurt lugers were unnumbered as they left the factory. The correct wood grips for your 1941 PO8 may be numbered inside with large size dies of the last 2 digits of your serial #. I've also seen them unnumbered, but E/655 proofed. TH

RBorecky · 07-16-2007, 10:49 AM

Can you elaborate on the E/655 proofed ? Here are some pictures of my 1918 DWM grips. I highlighted the markings. The one appears to be a 6 and my serial is 6217. They are Beech also. Do these appear to be correct for my Luger? Thanks,,Rick B

Pete Ebbink · 07-16-2007, 11:07 AM

Richard,

I think this may be the grip-posting you mentioned... by our Professor Ron Wood :

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...ighlight=grips

MFC · 07-17-2007, 01:05 AM

Hi Richard,
The #'s and letters on your grips are inspector's marks and don't have anything to do with the serial #'s. The original grips should be stamped with the last two digits of the S# (in your case (17), along with inspector's marks. My guess is that your's are probably arsenal replacements or are from a commercial model which weren't numbered too the guns.
Mike C.

RBorecky · 07-17-2007, 01:41 PM

I wonder if they numbered them all?? As these do not have last numbers on them and match the wear of the gun? Why would they only number orignals then not mark them later??

Every part on this matches and I hear of this allot where the Grips do not match and mag. Grips should not have harmed the shooting of the pistol as the rest may have if swapped understanding the markings.
Just some questions as I am learning about Lugers. Rick B.

MFC · 07-17-2007, 09:36 PM

Richard,
If yours were replaced, I'm sure it was a long time ago. Many lugers saw action in both World Wars, and show a lot of wear. Many were reworked/repaired at armories when needed. There are alway's exceptions and yours may be one, but they still don't match. This doesn't deter from the value of your luger near as much as a metal part not matching.
Mike C.

RBorecky · 07-18-2007, 10:27 AM

Thanks Mike and these are Beech. Was there a differnt time period for Beech and Walnut?? Thanks agin everyone. Rick B

MFC · 07-19-2007, 12:19 AM

Richard,
Walnut was used first, Beech wasn't used until sometime in the 20's. IIRC.
Mike C.

07-14-2007, 09:57 PM	#1
RBorecky User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cleveland,Ohio Posts: 115 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Help on grip Identifying. I thought I seen a post on Grip differences as I am trying to find a set for my Fathers 42 code. I am a wood nut and look for details all the time. I want to know the differences in early and late if possible. Thanks,,Rick B

07-15-2007, 03:14 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	early and late 1940 / 42's or? remember, they made lugers for over 50 years, with manufacturers by Erfurt, DWM (ww1 and earlier), DWM after WW1, Simson weimar era, Krieghoff and then same time period Mauser. Mauser is what I assume you are talking about, but my point is, 42 code spans more than one year, unless you mean, 42 as the year. 42's were made in 1939, 1940 and 41 marked lugers (I looked it up), while S/42 were made earlier... Then, are you willing to accept factory correct "armorer" replacement marked with either eagle 655 or S/42 (Frank, please correct me if I am saying stupid things again, i.e. if E/655 and S/42 stamped would be incorrect for his year). Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-15-2007, 04:00 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	numbering of pins was not required till the 1930's, I can look the exact date up if you need that. Pins for earlier lugers might be numbered if they passed through refurbishment, into police service, etc., but not always. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-16-2007, 08:28 AM	#5
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	RB, Ed is correct that the rear axel of DWM & Erfurt lugers were unnumbered as they left the factory. The correct wood grips for your 1941 PO8 may be numbered inside with large size dies of the last 2 digits of your serial #. I've also seen them unnumbered, but E/655 proofed. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

07-16-2007, 11:07 AM	#7
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Grip Posting... Richard, I think this may be the grip-posting you mentioned... by our Professor Ron Wood : http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...ighlight=grips

07-15-2007, 03:38 PM	#3
RBorecky User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cleveland,Ohio Posts: 115 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I did forget to say the one Luger Code 42 is dated 1941 that I am looking to get grips for. Right now it has repops on it. I know see there is allot to learn. I am pretty sure my 1918 DWM are correct with a 8 and W on one grip and what looks to be a U. The dark edges from inside the magwell maybe hiding more. One other thing I was wondering on my 1918 DWM,, were the toggle pins numbered for these?? My gun has everything numbered except these. Thanks,Rick B

07-16-2007, 10:49 AM	#6
RBorecky User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cleveland,Ohio Posts: 115 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Can you elaborate on the E/655 proofed ? Here are some pictures of my 1918 DWM grips. I highlighted the markings. The one appears to be a 6 and my serial is 6217. They are Beech also. Do these appear to be correct for my Luger? Thanks,,Rick B

07-17-2007, 01:05 AM	#8
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Hi Richard, The #'s and letters on your grips are inspector's marks and don't have anything to do with the serial #'s. The original grips should be stamped with the last two digits of the S# (in your case (17), along with inspector's marks. My guess is that your's are probably arsenal replacements or are from a commercial model which weren't numbered too the guns. Mike C. __________________ Mike C.

07-17-2007, 01:41 PM	#9
RBorecky User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cleveland,Ohio Posts: 115 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I wonder if they numbered them all?? As these do not have last numbers on them and match the wear of the gun? Why would they only number orignals then not mark them later?? Every part on this matches and I hear of this allot where the Grips do not match and mag. Grips should not have harmed the shooting of the pistol as the rest may have if swapped understanding the markings. Just some questions as I am learning about Lugers. Rick B.

07-17-2007, 09:36 PM	#10
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Richard, If yours were replaced, I'm sure it was a long time ago. Many lugers saw action in both World Wars, and show a lot of wear. Many were reworked/repaired at armories when needed. There are alway's exceptions and yours may be one, but they still don't match. This doesn't deter from the value of your luger near as much as a metal part not matching. Mike C. __________________ Mike C.

07-18-2007, 10:27 AM	#11
RBorecky User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cleveland,Ohio Posts: 115 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks Mike and these are Beech. Was there a differnt time period for Beech and Walnut?? Thanks agin everyone. Rick B

07-19-2007, 12:19 AM	#12
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Richard, Walnut was used first, Beech wasn't used until sometime in the 20's. IIRC. Mike C. __________________ Mike C.