My 1940 42 or My Ugly Betty

erndog105 · 06-01-2007, 04:36 PM

I picked this gun up from a vet in my retirement community. He says he got it in 1945 in Hamburg. But, his memory was not the best.
It is a complete mis-match but it shoots great. I will post my target sometime in the future when I get home. Ill do my best to show you how "ugly" it is. But I love her anyway. SN 5249n

Top View
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/194042top.jpg

Right side view and Mag.
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...ght_medium.jpg

Barrel frame connection and SN
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...ramesrnum1.jpg

This is the only mark on the barrel
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...amp_medium.jpg

No marks on the right frame
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...tamp_small.jpg

Numbered Pin
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...2pin_small.jpg

Plate number
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...side_small.jpg

Inside Grip, both grips have same number, also mis-match to gun.
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...rip1_small.jpg

Mag looks like a Simson, am I correct?
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...2mag_small.jpg

As you can see, not a lot of matching going on here.

This is my first time to post multiple pictures so let me know how these can be improved. Thanks. for all you folks have tought me. Your post, my books and the help I have received from individual communications have been not only helpful but great fun.
My thanks to all.

Edward Tinker · 06-01-2007, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by erndog105

Mag looks like a Simson, am I correct?

interesting

Yes, a Simson, the triangle S is considered to be an early Simson marking, what serial number is on the bottom?

Ed

Steinar · 06-01-2007, 04:52 PM

There is no such thing as an ugly Luger

..it's strange that Betty is without her proof marks on the right side of the receiver. So I quess they have been ground off by the previous owner. Same with the barrel.. I think there should be more than just the one mark. Does the upper part have more blueing than the frame? ..any serial number on the left side of the reciever?

I think the grips might be right. The number on the inside of the sideplate is a production code, nothing on the other side?

As to the mag, you are right about it having a Simson part proof.

erndog105 · 06-01-2007, 05:12 PM

I also thought about no proof marks being ground off but if that is so, I really doubt the provious owner did, but Ill never know since his memory is not all there.
Here is a view of the side plate and it does match.
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...late_small.jpg
This is the only other picture of the barrel I have. There are no other marks.
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...mark_small.jpg

By the way, how are pictures posted directly to the post and not via hyperlink?

erndog105 · 06-01-2007, 05:25 PM

The barrel does have a great amount of blue compared to the frame.
Frame
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...fety_small.jpg
This is safety that will not stay put as you shoot.
This is the barrel
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...amp_medium.jpg
This is the best shot I have as of now.

policeluger · 06-01-2007, 05:26 PM

Ed it a Simson commerical mag....had a few years ago

Edward Tinker · 06-01-2007, 06:58 PM

I have heard that before, but during the entire time that Simson made lugers, they didn't make any for commericial sales, so would there be magazines accepted by Simson? I do not beleive that Simson made magazines, there would be no need, they subbed that out to Schmeisser...

I do agree that the triangle S is seen on commerical Simson's, such as the vest pocket.

To post a picture instead of a url, there are two ways. You can click on the IMG button and place each url in the box that coems up. Or you can change all the letters url to img, leaving all [ and ] in place.

Ed

06-01-2007, 04:36 PM	#1
erndog105 User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 48 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	My 1940 42 or My Ugly Betty I picked this gun up from a vet in my retirement community. He says he got it in 1945 in Hamburg. But, his memory was not the best. It is a complete mis-match but it shoots great. I will post my target sometime in the future when I get home. Ill do my best to show you how "ugly" it is. But I love her anyway. SN 5249n Top View http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/194042top.jpg Right side view and Mag. http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...ght_medium.jpg Barrel frame connection and SN http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...ramesrnum1.jpg This is the only mark on the barrel http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...amp_medium.jpg No marks on the right frame http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...tamp_small.jpg Numbered Pin http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...2pin_small.jpg Plate number http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...side_small.jpg Inside Grip, both grips have same number, also mis-match to gun. http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...rip1_small.jpg Mag looks like a Simson, am I correct? http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...2mag_small.jpg As you can see, not a lot of matching going on here. This is my first time to post multiple pictures so let me know how these can be improved. Thanks. for all you folks have tought me. Your post, my books and the help I have received from individual communications have been not only helpful but great fun. My thanks to all.

06-01-2007, 04:52 PM	#3
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	There is no such thing as an ugly Luger ..it's strange that Betty is without her proof marks on the right side of the receiver. So I quess they have been ground off by the previous owner. Same with the barrel.. I think there should be more than just the one mark. Does the upper part have more blueing than the frame? ..any serial number on the left side of the reciever? I think the grips might be right. The number on the inside of the sideplate is a production code, nothing on the other side? As to the mag, you are right about it having a Simson part proof. __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

06-01-2007, 05:12 PM	#4
erndog105 User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 48 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	I also thought about no proof marks being ground off but if that is so, I really doubt the provious owner did, but Ill never know since his memory is not all there. Here is a view of the side plate and it does match. http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...late_small.jpg This is the only other picture of the barrel I have. There are no other marks. http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...mark_small.jpg By the way, how are pictures posted directly to the post and not via hyperlink?

06-01-2007, 05:25 PM	#5
erndog105 User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 48 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	The barrel does have a great amount of blue compared to the frame. Frame http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...fety_small.jpg This is safety that will not stay put as you shoot. This is the barrel http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...amp_medium.jpg This is the best shot I have as of now.

06-01-2007, 05:26 PM	#6
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Ed it a Simson commerical mag....had a few years ago

06-01-2007, 06:58 PM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,974 Thanks: 2,072 Thanked 4,607 Times in 2,123 Posts	I have heard that before, but during the entire time that Simson made lugers, they didn't make any for commericial sales, so would there be magazines accepted by Simson? I do not beleive that Simson made magazines, there would be no need, they subbed that out to Schmeisser... I do agree that the triangle S is seen on commerical Simson's, such as the vest pocket. To post a picture instead of a url, there are two ways. You can click on the IMG button and place each url in the box that coems up. Or you can change all the letters url to img, leaving all [ and ] in place. Ed