Wanting an artillery

383 magnum · 05-26-2007, 07:09 PM

I've decided that my next Luger purchase will more than likely be an artillery model. I am interested in one with 60-85 percent original finish with all matching numbers (mag could be mismatched). Simpson's has some nice ones but are priced more than I want to spend. Any chance I could find a decent artillery in the two grand range or I am I just going to have to bite the bullet and spend more?

Navy · 05-26-2007, 08:25 PM

383 Mag,
Suggest you get used to the taste of lead or be willing to accept a re-blued piece with gawd knows what inside.

Tom A

383 magnum · 05-26-2007, 08:37 PM

Probably going to get used to the taste of lead then or buy one in lesser condition. The price would have to be right before I would consider a reblued piece. The last internet auction I saw for a reblued one was a little more than $1,500 and the reserve wasn't even met.

Pete Ebbink · 05-26-2007, 11:29 PM

This refinished piece may go cheap on the up-coming June G-M auction :

http://68.167.203.107:8050/FMPro?-db...12584808&-Find

Ron Smith · 05-26-2007, 11:35 PM

It sure doesn't look to be refinished to me. Although the chamber date looks shallow. Note halos where halos should be.

George Anderson · 05-27-2007, 08:39 AM

I agree with Ron, that gun's not been refinished.

383 magnum · 05-27-2007, 08:48 AM

It didn't look refinished to me either.

Pete Ebbink · 05-27-2007, 10:55 AM

You guys are correct.

Here was the ad wording :

" Condition: Very good as refinished. Retaining approximately 85-90% reblued finish with scattered wear to relief edges and minor spots of pitting beneath finish. "

I think the G-M folks have had some ads in their previous auctions wrong as well...having a redo listed as original, etc.

Mike B · 05-27-2007, 01:47 PM

383 Mag,
I wish you had posted your request 24 hours earlier. I just sold (money is still in transit) a 1918 DWM artillery. It had the British proofs on the underside of the barrel and had been refinished. I personally think the British gov. did the refurb, as the straw was restored and the bluing looks very old. It was all matching inc. grips except for a mis-matched side plate. I went for $1500.
Mike

George Anderson · 05-27-2007, 04:29 PM

I have a reblued all matching unit marked 1917 LP08 for $2200 and an all original and matching 1917 LP08 with red nine grips (also Brit proofed) for $3500.

RalphH · 05-28-2007, 01:55 PM

Greetings, George,

Could you post a photo of your red nine grips, so I could compare with mine?

George Anderson · 05-28-2007, 04:02 PM

I can send a set of photos of a couple of mine to Ed and ask that he post them.

Edward Tinker · 05-28-2007, 04:35 PM

anytime Geo, I am watching movies, so anytime

Big Norm · 05-31-2007, 04:31 AM

One of the first things that I look at when I look at a Luger is the 'Locking Bolt'. Its irregular shape and size makes it a difficult part to restraw for an amateur. They tend to roll their wrists while preparing the metal for restrawing. This guns 'Locking Bolt' looks pretty darn good to me. Only the grips look like they could be bad.

Just from looking at the pictures, I would think that this artillery would go for more than the estimated price. Just for fun sake, I will throw out an estimate of $2850 to $3000. I sure would like to see more pictures.

Big Norm

Michael Zeleny · 06-27-2007, 05:15 AM

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Originally posted by Big Norm
One of the first things that I look at when I look at a Luger is the 'Locking Bolt'. Its irregular shape and size makes it a difficult part to restraw for an amateur. They tend to roll their wrists while preparing the metal for restrawing. This guns 'Locking Bolt' looks pretty darn good to me. Only the grips look like they could be bad.

Just from looking at the pictures, I would think that this artillery would go for more than the estimated price. Just for fun sake, I will throw out an estimate of $2850 to $3000. I sure would like to see more pictures.
Big Norm

Greg Martin Auctions just invoiced me for this lot. It appears that I won the item with a $1,800.00 bid, inspired by my agreement with resident experts in regard to the originality of the finish. With a 15% buyer premium and a 8.25% sales tax, it adds up to $2,245.95. I will post more pictures after I get my hands on the gun.

05-26-2007, 07:09 PM	#1
383 magnum User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 120 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Wanting an artillery I've decided that my next Luger purchase will more than likely be an artillery model. I am interested in one with 60-85 percent original finish with all matching numbers (mag could be mismatched). Simpson's has some nice ones but are priced more than I want to spend. Any chance I could find a decent artillery in the two grand range or I am I just going to have to bite the bullet and spend more?

05-26-2007, 11:35 PM	#5
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	It sure doesn't look to be refinished to me. Although the chamber date looks shallow. Note halos where halos should be. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

05-28-2007, 01:55 PM	#11
RalphH User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: North central Ohio Posts: 41 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Red nine grips Greetings, George, Could you post a photo of your red nine grips, so I could compare with mine? __________________ Regards, Ralph Boy, I love these old guns.....

05-28-2007, 04:35 PM	#13
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	anytime Geo, I am watching movies, so anytime __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-26-2007, 08:25 PM	#2
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	383 Mag, Suggest you get used to the taste of lead or be willing to accept a re-blued piece with gawd knows what inside. Tom A

05-26-2007, 08:37 PM	#3
383 magnum User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 120 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Probably going to get used to the taste of lead then or buy one in lesser condition. The price would have to be right before I would consider a reblued piece. The last internet auction I saw for a reblued one was a little more than $1,500 and the reserve wasn't even met.

05-26-2007, 11:29 PM	#4
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	This refinished piece may go cheap on the up-coming June G-M auction : http://68.167.203.107:8050/FMPro?-db...12584808&-Find

05-27-2007, 08:39 AM	#6
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	I agree with Ron, that gun's not been refinished.

05-27-2007, 08:48 AM	#7
383 magnum User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 120 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	It didn't look refinished to me either.

05-27-2007, 10:55 AM	#8
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	You guys are correct. Here was the ad wording : " Condition: Very good as refinished. Retaining approximately 85-90% reblued finish with scattered wear to relief edges and minor spots of pitting beneath finish. " I think the G-M folks have had some ads in their previous auctions wrong as well...having a redo listed as original, etc.

05-27-2007, 01:47 PM	#9
Mike B Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 979 Thanks: 1 Thanked 272 Times in 100 Posts	383 Mag, I wish you had posted your request 24 hours earlier. I just sold (money is still in transit) a 1918 DWM artillery. It had the British proofs on the underside of the barrel and had been refinished. I personally think the British gov. did the refurb, as the straw was restored and the bluing looks very old. It was all matching inc. grips except for a mis-matched side plate. I went for $1500. Mike

05-27-2007, 04:29 PM	#10
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	I have a reblued all matching unit marked 1917 LP08 for $2200 and an all original and matching 1917 LP08 with red nine grips (also Brit proofed) for $3500.

05-28-2007, 04:02 PM	#12
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	I can send a set of photos of a couple of mine to Ed and ask that he post them.

05-31-2007, 04:31 AM	#14
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	One of the first things that I look at when I look at a Luger is the 'Locking Bolt'. Its irregular shape and size makes it a difficult part to restraw for an amateur. They tend to roll their wrists while preparing the metal for restrawing. This guns 'Locking Bolt' looks pretty darn good to me. Only the grips look like they could be bad. Just from looking at the pictures, I would think that this artillery would go for more than the estimated price. Just for fun sake, I will throw out an estimate of $2850 to $3000. I sure would like to see more pictures. Big Norm