P-'08 mag s/n 4466

Jumper · 04-30-2007, 12:55 PM

This is a real long shot. About 5 yrs ago I bought a Luger from a neighbor in Oregon. His father had been on Eisenhower's staff and brought back several items (K-43, 98k, Mauser HSc, Luger etc). I'm pretty sure my neighbor's father didn't shoot any German soldiers and he probably stole some of Ike's whiskey and traded it for the guns.
The Luger is somewhat unusual. It is a DWM, 9mm, no chamber date, crown N on left side of frame, waffenampt WaA66 on rt. side, sear safety, police unit marking on front grip strap, same unit marking on the holster, all matching s/n 4466t, about 95% cond. It has two matching mags; a wood bottom marked #2 and an aluminium bottom marked #3, both with s/n 4466.
I'm trying to locate mag #1, which I think is probably a wood bottom.
I know I'm searching for the needle in the haystack but it's worth a try.
Don

Dwight Gruber · 04-30-2007, 09:02 PM

Don,

Welcome to the Forum. This sounds like a pretty great rig, as a first post, no less! Very best of luck on the mag search, I think you have a realistic assessment of your chances, but it would indeed be a coup to find it.

Does this gun perhaps have a magazine safety, or was modified for one which has been removed? What is the unit mark?

Any chance you can show us all pictures?

--Dwight

Jumper · 04-30-2007, 09:58 PM

Dwight: Thank you for your reply.
The gun was modified for a mag. safety but that has been removed.
The unit marking is: L. Ka. 104. That same marking is on the back of the holster which has the name: "Robert Larsen--Berlin--1929"

Unfortunately, my neighbor (before I ever saw it) decided that the grips looked old. Of course they looked old because they were old, so he threw the original grips away and installed repo. Swiss style grips. After I got it I found some unnumbered grips of the same vintage, which fit perfectly, and put those on it.
My neighbor also made a $150 deer rifle out of an all original 98k.
I bought the Luger and the K-43 from him--the K-43 still had the spare parts kit and butt stock manual in the butt stock well. I'm just glad he didn't cut the stock and install a Bushnell scope on the K-43.
I would be happy to post pictures but I don't know how. I'm an old man and can barely get this damn computer turned on.

Don

Edward Tinker · 04-30-2007, 10:07 PM

Don, email the pictures to me and I'll post. I collect weimar era and police pistols, so yours sounds great!

Ed

Jumper · 04-30-2007, 11:45 PM

Edward Tinker · 05-01-2007, 09:03 PM

wow, just wow.... great rig!

Ed

Ron Smith · 05-01-2007, 09:14 PM

Don,

You have a 1929 BKIW assembled by Mauser known as a "Sneak"(no date). This is indicated by the t suffix. The unit mark is LandjÃ?Â¤gerei(Militarized Rural Police) Kassel district. The matching holster is a big +. A really nice rig.

Ron

Jumper · 05-01-2007, 11:17 PM

Dwight, Ed & Ron: Thanks very much for your input with a special thanks to Ed for going to all the trouble of posting the pictures that I am too dumb to figure out how to post.
Ron, what does "BKIW" stand for and does the "104" on the unit marking mean that this was pistol #104 issued to that police unit?
Am I correct in thinking that this pistol started out as a 1920 Commercial and was then, at some point in time grabbed up by the German military, the barrel changed from 7.65 to 9mm and then issued to the police?
Finally, accepting that I'm an old man and won't be around much longer,
(I hope to get shot by a very young jealous husband who has good reason to shoot me) how would you suggest that my wife go about selling this rig and what would be a realistic price? (I paid $800 total for the Luger and the K-43, so anything over that is found money)
I am well aware that, in light of the tragedy at V.T., the ownership & sale of firearms could change at any time.
Thanks for everyone's help.
Don

Edward Tinker · 05-02-2007, 07:14 AM

BKIW is what DWM changed their name too. Then shortly afterwards, production went to Mauser (which was part of their extended gun manufacturing company).

The 104 is the police unit marking and yes "kinda" the 104th weapon, I don't think they necessarily went from 1 to say 204, Don Maus would know better than me.

It was NOT a 1920 commercial, it was one made for police and army (this was an army. The magazine safety has been taken off and the sear safety remains.

Value, well, it is in fairly nice shape (i have seen and owned nicer, but it is very nice).

2 matching mags and a matching holster. I bet the holster has a tool inside of the pouch.

I'd venture I'd pay $1500 for it and it should be worth $1800-$2000 on the open market (provided it is all matching, mags are replacements etc)

Ed

Jumper · 05-02-2007, 10:59 AM

Ed: Thank you.
I had figured it was a 1920 comm. by virtue of the crown N on the left side of the frame, as I thought that was a commercial proof mark.
Yes, there is a take down/loading tool, with a very small waffenhampt, in the holster pouch.
I will make a note of your name & contact info. for my wife.
Regards, Don

CROLUGER · 05-04-2007, 12:35 AM

Very nice Luger, Jumper!

Edward Tinker · 05-04-2007, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jumper
Ed: Thank you.
I had figured it was a 1920 comm. by virtue of the crown N on the left side of the frame, as I thought that was a commercial proof mark.
Yes, there is a take down/loading tool, with a very small waffenhampt, in the holster pouch.
Regards, Don

You are not "incorrect" by your guess with the Crown N, these police guns were bought as "commercial" guns and then went into police service.

ed

Jumper · 05-04-2007, 10:56 AM

What a great site!
I received responses from members in CO, OR and even Croatia!
I've learned more about my Luger in the last 5 days than I had in the previous 5 years.
Thanks to everyone.
Don

05-01-2007, 09:03 PM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	wow, just wow.... great rig! Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-01-2007, 09:14 PM	#7
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Don, You have a 1929 BKIW assembled by Mauser known as a "Sneak"(no date). This is indicated by the t suffix. The unit mark is LandjÃ?Â¤gerei(Militarized Rural Police) Kassel district. The matching holster is a big +. A really nice rig. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

05-02-2007, 07:14 AM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	BKIW is what DWM changed their name too. Then shortly afterwards, production went to Mauser (which was part of their extended gun manufacturing company). The 104 is the police unit marking and yes "kinda" the 104th weapon, I don't think they necessarily went from 1 to say 204, Don Maus would know better than me. It was NOT a 1920 commercial, it was one made for police and army (this was an army. The magazine safety has been taken off and the sear safety remains. Value, well, it is in fairly nice shape (i have seen and owned nicer, but it is very nice). 2 matching mags and a matching holster. I bet the holster has a tool inside of the pouch. I'd venture I'd pay $1500 for it and it should be worth $1800-$2000 on the open market (provided it is all matching, mags are replacements etc) Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-04-2007, 12:35 AM	#11
CROLUGER User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Croatia. Posts: 134 Thanks: 0 Thanked 13 Times in 7 Posts	Very nice Luger, Jumper! __________________ Luger DWM 1915, Luger BYF 1942, Walther P-38 AC43 & CYQ 1944, Mauser Hsc, Steyr 1909, Frommer Stop 1916, SA XD HS 45, Beretta M34, M70, M72, M950B, 92FS, Browning 1910/22, CZ M-48, CZ PAP M59/66, Winchester 9422M, GLOCK 19.

04-30-2007, 12:55 PM	#1
Jumper User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	P-'08 mag s/n 4466 This is a real long shot. About 5 yrs ago I bought a Luger from a neighbor in Oregon. His father had been on Eisenhower's staff and brought back several items (K-43, 98k, Mauser HSc, Luger etc). I'm pretty sure my neighbor's father didn't shoot any German soldiers and he probably stole some of Ike's whiskey and traded it for the guns. The Luger is somewhat unusual. It is a DWM, 9mm, no chamber date, crown N on left side of frame, waffenampt WaA66 on rt. side, sear safety, police unit marking on front grip strap, same unit marking on the holster, all matching s/n 4466t, about 95% cond. It has two matching mags; a wood bottom marked #2 and an aluminium bottom marked #3, both with s/n 4466. I'm trying to locate mag #1, which I think is probably a wood bottom. I know I'm searching for the needle in the haystack but it's worth a try. Don

04-30-2007, 09:02 PM	#2
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	Don, Welcome to the Forum. This sounds like a pretty great rig, as a first post, no less! Very best of luck on the mag search, I think you have a realistic assessment of your chances, but it would indeed be a coup to find it. Does this gun perhaps have a magazine safety, or was modified for one which has been removed? What is the unit mark? Any chance you can show us all pictures? --Dwight

04-30-2007, 09:58 PM	#3
Jumper User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dwight: Thank you for your reply. The gun was modified for a mag. safety but that has been removed. The unit marking is: L. Ka. 104. That same marking is on the back of the holster which has the name: "Robert Larsen--Berlin--1929" Unfortunately, my neighbor (before I ever saw it) decided that the grips looked old. Of course they looked old because they were old, so he threw the original grips away and installed repo. Swiss style grips. After I got it I found some unnumbered grips of the same vintage, which fit perfectly, and put those on it. My neighbor also made a $150 deer rifle out of an all original 98k. I bought the Luger and the K-43 from him--the K-43 still had the spare parts kit and butt stock manual in the butt stock well. I'm just glad he didn't cut the stock and install a Bushnell scope on the K-43. I would be happy to post pictures but I don't know how. I'm an old man and can barely get this damn computer turned on. Don

04-30-2007, 10:07 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	Don, email the pictures to me and I'll post. I collect weimar era and police pistols, so yours sounds great! Ed

04-30-2007, 11:45 PM	#5
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05-01-2007, 11:17 PM	#8
Jumper User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dwight, Ed & Ron: Thanks very much for your input with a special thanks to Ed for going to all the trouble of posting the pictures that I am too dumb to figure out how to post. Ron, what does "BKIW" stand for and does the "104" on the unit marking mean that this was pistol #104 issued to that police unit? Am I correct in thinking that this pistol started out as a 1920 Commercial and was then, at some point in time grabbed up by the German military, the barrel changed from 7.65 to 9mm and then issued to the police? Finally, accepting that I'm an old man and won't be around much longer, (I hope to get shot by a very young jealous husband who has good reason to shoot me) how would you suggest that my wife go about selling this rig and what would be a realistic price? (I paid $800 total for the Luger and the K-43, so anything over that is found money) I am well aware that, in light of the tragedy at V.T., the ownership & sale of firearms could change at any time. Thanks for everyone's help. Don

05-02-2007, 10:59 AM	#10
Jumper User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ed: Thank you. I had figured it was a 1920 comm. by virtue of the crown N on the left side of the frame, as I thought that was a commercial proof mark. Yes, there is a take down/loading tool, with a very small waffenhampt, in the holster pouch. I will make a note of your name & contact info. for my wife. Regards, Don

05-04-2007, 10:56 AM	#13
Jumper User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	What a great site! I received responses from members in CO, OR and even Croatia! I've learned more about my Luger in the last 5 days than I had in the previous 5 years. Thanks to everyone. Don