S/42 1937

Nomadr · 08-26-2006, 09:49 PM

I recently acquired this 1937 S/42 6902s
I noticed from Jan's list, that the pistols listed in my serial range are "strawed".
This one is not. I have looked at it closely and I am sure it has the original finish.
It was purchased from the estate of the Veteran that brought it back in 1945. I also have a copy of the bring back papers.
It is all matching including grips, but the magazine is not.
Bob

drbuster · 08-26-2006, 10:00 PM

It might be instructive to have Forum members check their 1937 S/42's with serial numbers in the high 6800s and low 6900s series to see if this piece is a"maverick" piece or not.

Nomadr · 08-26-2006, 10:06 PM

Here's a side view

josef · 08-27-2006, 12:45 AM

If it would help, my S/42 1937, serial 8556r has strawed parts.
http://luger.gunboards.com/topic.asp...archTerms=1937

Thor · 08-27-2006, 09:01 AM

What finish is on the breechblock pin, it appears fire blued??? An all salt blued Mauser should also have a salt blued pin there?? It might be just a hardened part that took a plum type color too during the salt bath. A couple of other things kind of stick out to me. Not much wear on the frame rails, the paint in the Gesichert looks a little more tan (WWI type) than an off white(Mauser type). Type 3 Army mag? A very nice looking Luger.

Frank · 08-27-2006, 09:12 AM

FWIW, my data shows that 1937 S/42 Lugers had strawed small parts up to about S/N 2300t.

I have 1937 Lugers on both sides of your serial number and they both have strawed small parts!

It's difficult to tell from your photo what you have!! The flash masks a lot of detail!!

Nomadr · 08-27-2006, 01:15 PM

more pics
The mag is 8753p

Nomadr · 08-27-2006, 01:15 PM

more

Nomadr · 08-27-2006, 01:18 PM

and again
Sorry, I know there must be a way to combine the photos.

Nomadr · 08-27-2006, 01:19 PM

e/63

Nomadr · 08-27-2006, 01:20 PM

right side

Nomadr · 08-27-2006, 01:22 PM

white paint.

Nomadr · 08-27-2006, 01:25 PM

back strap

drbuster · 08-27-2006, 03:21 PM

Does everyone agree that the suffix is an "s"?

Frank · 08-28-2006, 08:33 AM

Hi Doc, yup it's a "S"!!!

Nomadr, would you please take another photo. The one entitled "White Paint" is great, but can you take another showing the area above and back of the "White Paint" Photo showing the frame. My question is about the presence of a Mauser Hump!!!

This appears to be a different "duck". The flame blue pin, mentioned by Thor, and the serial number range indicates the pistol should have strawed small parts.

Nomadr · 08-28-2006, 10:08 AM

Frank,
I will post another pic when I get home tonight. But I do believe it has the Mauser Hump!

Thor · 08-28-2006, 10:20 AM

If it is suppose to have strawed parts it should be rust blued too?

Nomadr · 08-28-2006, 08:08 PM

hump

Frank · 08-29-2006, 08:57 AM

Nomadr, okay, thanks for the additional picture!

What we know:
1) The frame has a Mauser Hump
2) The serial number, 6902s, is just inside the low number for the beginning of the Mauser Hump Frame production change.
3) The cross pin between the breech block and mid Toggle Link is Fire Blued.

What I think we know:
1) The appearance of the patina on the back grip strap, seems to indicate the frame is rust blued
2) I believe the serial number on the barrel shows a halo. This would indicate the barrel is rust blued.

What you need to verify:
1) Check the internal surfaces of the frame for coloration. These surfaces should be "In the White" or not blued. This is the "tell" for a rust blued frame.

What I can conclude:
1) If the frame and receiver are rust blued and
2) The serial number is in the early range, then

THE SMALL PARTS SHOULD BE STRAWED!!!!

Since they are not, the small parts must have been blued sometime after 1937. But I don't have a clue who did the dastardly deed!! I can only speculate on reasons for the small parts being blue instead of straw!!

Thanks for you help, I hope this helps!!!

Nomadr · 08-29-2006, 10:22 PM

Here are some more pics of the inside.
I know anything is possible, but it looks like this Luger was untouched!
I purchased it directly from the Vet's family... and if it was refinished, it would have to been before 1945?
Maybe sent back to the factory and re built?
Would there be a mark to indcate that?

08-26-2006, 09:49 PM	#1
Nomadr Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 276 Thanks: 16 Thanked 28 Times in 22 Posts	S/42 1937 I recently acquired this 1937 S/42 6902s I noticed from Jan's list, that the pistols listed in my serial range are "strawed". This one is not. I have looked at it closely and I am sure it has the original finish. It was purchased from the estate of the Veteran that brought it back in 1945. I also have a copy of the bring back papers. It is all matching including grips, but the magazine is not. Bob

08-26-2006, 10:06 PM	#3
Nomadr Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 276 Thanks: 16 Thanked 28 Times in 22 Posts	S42 pic Here's a side view Attached Thumbnails

08-27-2006, 09:01 AM	#5
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	What finish is on the breechblock pin, it appears fire blued??? An all salt blued Mauser should also have a salt blued pin there?? It might be just a hardened part that took a plum type color too during the salt bath. A couple of other things kind of stick out to me. Not much wear on the frame rails, the paint in the Gesichert looks a little more tan (WWI type) than an off white(Mauser type). Type 3 Army mag? A very nice looking Luger. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

08-27-2006, 01:15 PM	#7
Nomadr Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 276 Thanks: 16 Thanked 28 Times in 22 Posts	new pics more pics The mag is 8753p Attached Thumbnails

08-27-2006, 01:15 PM	#8
Nomadr Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 276 Thanks: 16 Thanked 28 Times in 22 Posts	more Attached Thumbnails

08-26-2006, 10:00 PM	#2
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	It might be instructive to have Forum members check their 1937 S/42's with serial numbers in the high 6800s and low 6900s series to see if this piece is a"maverick" piece or not.

08-27-2006, 12:45 AM	#4
josef User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CANADA Posts: 194 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	If it would help, my S/42 1937, serial 8556r has strawed parts. http://luger.gunboards.com/topic.asp...archTerms=1937

08-27-2006, 09:12 AM	#6
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 164 Times in 87 Posts	FWIW, my data shows that 1937 S/42 Lugers had strawed small parts up to about S/N 2300t. I have 1937 Lugers on both sides of your serial number and they both have strawed small parts! It's difficult to tell from your photo what you have!! The flash masks a lot of detail!!

08-27-2006, 01:18 PM	#9
Nomadr Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 276 Thanks: 16 Thanked 28 Times in 22 Posts	and again Sorry, I know there must be a way to combine the photos. Attached Thumbnails

08-27-2006, 01:19 PM	#10
Nomadr Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 276 Thanks: 16 Thanked 28 Times in 22 Posts	e/63 Attached Thumbnails

08-27-2006, 01:20 PM	#11
Nomadr Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 276 Thanks: 16 Thanked 28 Times in 22 Posts	right side Attached Thumbnails

08-27-2006, 01:22 PM	#12
Nomadr Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 276 Thanks: 16 Thanked 28 Times in 22 Posts	white paint. Attached Thumbnails

08-27-2006, 01:25 PM	#13
Nomadr Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 276 Thanks: 16 Thanked 28 Times in 22 Posts	back strap Attached Thumbnails

08-27-2006, 03:21 PM	#14
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Does everyone agree that the suffix is an "s"?

08-28-2006, 08:33 AM	#15
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 164 Times in 87 Posts	Hi Doc, yup it's a "S"!!! Nomadr, would you please take another photo. The one entitled "White Paint" is great, but can you take another showing the area above and back of the "White Paint" Photo showing the frame. My question is about the presence of a Mauser Hump!!! This appears to be a different "duck". The flame blue pin, mentioned by Thor, and the serial number range indicates the pistol should have strawed small parts.

08-28-2006, 10:08 AM	#16
Nomadr Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 276 Thanks: 16 Thanked 28 Times in 22 Posts	Frank, I will post another pic when I get home tonight. But I do believe it has the Mauser Hump!

08-28-2006, 10:20 AM	#17
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	If it is suppose to have strawed parts it should be rust blued too? __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

08-28-2006, 08:08 PM	#18
Nomadr Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 276 Thanks: 16 Thanked 28 Times in 22 Posts	hump Attached Thumbnails

08-29-2006, 08:57 AM	#19
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 164 Times in 87 Posts	Nomadr, okay, thanks for the additional picture! What we know: 1) The frame has a Mauser Hump 2) The serial number, 6902s, is just inside the low number for the beginning of the Mauser Hump Frame production change. 3) The cross pin between the breech block and mid Toggle Link is Fire Blued. What I think we know: 1) The appearance of the patina on the back grip strap, seems to indicate the frame is rust blued 2) I believe the serial number on the barrel shows a halo. This would indicate the barrel is rust blued. What you need to verify: 1) Check the internal surfaces of the frame for coloration. These surfaces should be "In the White" or not blued. This is the "tell" for a rust blued frame. What I can conclude: 1) If the frame and receiver are rust blued and 2) The serial number is in the early range, then THE SMALL PARTS SHOULD BE STRAWED!!!! Since they are not, the small parts must have been blued sometime after 1937. But I don't have a clue who did the dastardly deed!! I can only speculate on reasons for the small parts being blue instead of straw!! Thanks for you help, I hope this helps!!!

08-29-2006, 10:22 PM	#20
Nomadr Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 276 Thanks: 16 Thanked 28 Times in 22 Posts	Here are some more pics of the inside. I know anything is possible, but it looks like this Luger was untouched! I purchased it directly from the Vet's family... and if it was refinished, it would have to been before 1945? Maybe sent back to the factory and re built? Would there be a mark to indcate that? Attached Thumbnails