Unusual Dutch Vickers

[Lugers down under]

Thanks for the comments gentlemen.

After a very close examination of the â??Unusual Vickers Lugerâ?� which I recently acquired,Herewith is what I have found.

I dismantled the Luger and have listed my findings as follows.

Barrel/receiver Barrel and receiver have no number or proof marks except for a small â??Pâ?� on the area adjacent to the barrel lug.
Both the receiver and the barrel are of an extremely high quality
and finish and suggest that they are not of GS manufacture but are original Vickers or DWM. Both look like they have been together since new. .

Toggle assy:
Extractor: Geladen stamped on both sides no numbers
Breach block Numbered 32 with c/n proof on top LH side.
Very small C/8 on rear edge.
Middle toggle VICKERS / LTD no numbers or proof marks
Rear toggle no proof marks or numbers other than a 6
On the underside rear.
Rear toggle link No marks or numbers
Firing pin assy No marks or numbers

Frame assy
Frame LH side â??Rustâ?� in small letters 2.5mm high with curved flukes on the arrowhead.
Under grip, small letters T , L/C, and a small triangle adjacent to main spring.
â??Tâ?� on inside edge of front strap. (see comments on â??Rust and arrowâ?�)

Frame front No marks or numbers whatsoever.

Frame LH side Small U inside adjacent grip screw hole front

Frame internal â??Gâ?� stamp in area adjacent to barrel lug cavity. Hold open spring numbered 30, â??Hâ?� stamped in the bottom of recoil lever well.
Frame rear No marks or numbers whatsoever.

Grip safety No marks or numbers, looks like very original grip safety DWM or Vickers

Trigger No marks or numbers

Locking bolt No marks or numbers

Side plate Number 30 on side in later DWM style.

Grips Very coarse ill fitting with GS in oval stamped inside.

I also own two other Dutch East Indies Lugers, one is a first series DWM serial number 1471 and the other is a VICKERS LTD serial number 6890. I noticed a difference between the two Vickers guns in the area of the RUST and arrow,

On this latest no numbers gun, the RUST letters are 2.5mm in height and the arrow has curved flukes on the arrow head, very similar to the much older DWM, while my VICKERS
Number 6890 has the word RUST with 3mm high letters and straight flukes on the arrow head.

Page 133 of Bas J. Martens and Guus de Vries excellent book the Dutch Luger, shows a VICKERS Luger # 5275 with small letters RUST (2.5mm) and a curved fluked arrow, while page 132 shows another VICKERS Luger # 9214 with large letters RUST (3.0mm) and straight flukes on the arrow head, the same as my VICKERS # 6890..

I have drawn the conclusion rightly or wrongly that some where in the VICKERS production they changed the RUST and arrow dies or when production first commenced Vickers were using parts made by DWM already stamped in the old 2.5 mm high letters and changed frames mid production.

Had anyone noticed the difference before?
Any comments would be welcome.

Good Luger collecting

Lugers down Under.