Real Or Not Real ???

Pete Ebbink · 05-31-2006, 11:21 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/Luger-P08-take-d...QQcmdZViewItem

John Sabato · 05-31-2006, 11:47 AM

Looks bogus to me Pete... There is not a clear image of the KM stamp, but it doesn't look good from what I see in the photo..

the contours look more like a Finnish tool (or possibly Post war East German) to me instead of a WW1 or WW2 German tool ...

The Luger loading tool is on page 30 of the Luger Blueprint CD that I offer in the For Sale forum... you can see the proper tool contours and measurements there...

lugerholsterrepair · 05-31-2006, 12:31 PM

Pete, I agree with John, The whole thing just dosen't look right. I have three original Imperial Navy marked loading tools, they are a thing of beauty. This looks bad...Jerry Burney

Pete Ebbink · 05-31-2006, 01:04 PM

Yep...I did not like the overall squarish-shape of the tool and the photo does not give much detail to the stamping or engraving...

Saving the e-Bay photo, here...for future reference :

Ron Wood · 05-31-2006, 01:10 PM

Did you notice that the same guy has an oiler type cleaning rod that is also KM stamped? If I had a stack of $3 bills to pay for it, I would bid.

Pete Ebbink · 05-31-2006, 01:21 PM

One of the Navy guys is bidding on the oiler...

I do not recall seeing such an indentation on the rod close to the hozzle connection...???

Ron Smith · 05-31-2006, 01:29 PM

He also has a KM holster with a shoulder strap.??

Luke · 05-31-2006, 03:34 PM

The loading tool has the exact outline of the Finnish tool.

Note that the back of the tool is not shown. The Finns did not machine into the tool back the grooves that match the magazine contours. Having noted all this, it seems odd that someone would be so foolish as to offer such a poorly conceived and implemented bogus tool.

lugerholsterrepair · 05-31-2006, 04:10 PM

Luke, Thanks, This is something I never knew...The Finns did not machine into the tool back the grooves that match the magazine contours. I appreciate this good info! Jerry Burney

Ron Wood · 05-31-2006, 07:48 PM

Pete,
The indentation is there because he either didn't or couldn't screw the rod all the way into the base.

Navy · 05-31-2006, 09:34 PM

This entire ofering is a fraud. The seller is either trying to decieve or is ignorant. Run away.

Tom A

05-31-2006, 11:21 AM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Real Or Not Real ??? http://cgi.ebay.com/Luger-P08-take-d...QQcmdZViewItem

05-31-2006, 11:47 AM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,152 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Looks bogus to me Pete... There is not a clear image of the KM stamp, but it doesn't look good from what I see in the photo.. the contours look more like a Finnish tool (or possibly Post war East German) to me instead of a WW1 or WW2 German tool ... The Luger loading tool is on page 30 of the Luger Blueprint CD that I offer in the For Sale forum... you can see the proper tool contours and measurements there... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

05-31-2006, 12:31 PM	#3
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,865 Thanked 3,105 Times in 1,429 Posts	Pete, I agree with John, The whole thing just dosen't look right. I have three original Imperial Navy marked loading tools, they are a thing of beauty. This looks bad...Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

05-31-2006, 01:10 PM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Did you notice that the same guy has an oiler type cleaning rod that is also KM stamped? If I had a stack of $3 bills to pay for it, I would bid. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-31-2006, 01:29 PM	#7
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	He also has a KM holster with a shoulder strap.?? __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

05-31-2006, 01:04 PM	#4
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Yep...I did not like the overall squarish-shape of the tool and the photo does not give much detail to the stamping or engraving... Saving the e-Bay photo, here...for future reference :

05-31-2006, 01:21 PM	#6
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	One of the Navy guys is bidding on the oiler... I do not recall seeing such an indentation on the rod close to the hozzle connection...???

05-31-2006, 03:34 PM	#8
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 6 Posts	The loading tool has the exact outline of the Finnish tool. Note that the back of the tool is not shown. The Finns did not machine into the tool back the grooves that match the magazine contours. Having noted all this, it seems odd that someone would be so foolish as to offer such a poorly conceived and implemented bogus tool. __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther

05-31-2006, 04:10 PM	#9
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,865 Thanked 3,105 Times in 1,429 Posts	Luke, Thanks, This is something I never knew...The Finns did not machine into the tool back the grooves that match the magazine contours. I appreciate this good info! Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

05-31-2006, 07:48 PM	#10
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Pete, The indentation is there because he either didn't or couldn't screw the rod all the way into the base. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-31-2006, 09:34 PM	#11
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	This entire ofering is a fraud. The seller is either trying to decieve or is ignorant. Run away. Tom A