Ebay holster mold

lugerholsterrepair · 05-09-2006, 10:33 AM

This is an interesting item that pops up from time to time.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MakeTrack=true

It is my belief that these ponderous heavy things cannot be used to make molded holsters and wood was used instead. I have no proof of this but it stands to reason.
Brass does not absorb any moisture which seems required for this operation. It would be impossible to have hundreds of these working at once, and brass was in short supply. Just does not make sense to me.
Jerry Burney

John Sabato · 05-09-2006, 01:52 PM

Jerry, as "authentic" as this item looks, even the stamps look period to me, but yet the shape does not seem right. I would think it would be larger than it is on top to help form the "bucket" of the holster. This may be for some other type of holster than Luger?

Ron Wood · 05-09-2006, 02:33 PM

I am in a lighthearted mood, so I think I will indulge myself in another one of my flights of fantasy.

I think this object might have some validity. If used with a wooden female mold, this heavy metal insert would serve to press down and weight the wet leather into the mold. It would eliminate the need for clamps while turning the exposed edges of the leather to form the sewing flange. Then a flat wood piece could be placed on top of the whole thing and clamped in place while the leather dried. Not a mass production type of operation, but certainly something "Papa Gunter's Sattlery and Yardgoods Shop" could use.

This object is only for the body of the holster. Another set of molds are required to form the "bucket".

End of daydream.

John Sabato · 05-09-2006, 02:47 PM

Ron, I think you and I differ on the term "bucket" ...unless I am further mistaken, you are calling what I would call the "LID" the bucket, and I am calling the main body, the part that could hold water once the holster was assembled, the "bucket"...

I do like your daydream! it seems to make sense to me...

Cheers.

Ron Wood · 05-09-2006, 02:50 PM

Right you are. I was referring to the lid.

lugerholsterrepair · 05-09-2006, 04:14 PM

Gentlemen all, I believe John is on the money, the shape is wrong for any holster I am familiar with.
Ron, Brass is simply the wrong material for the purpose of molding holsters. Molded holsters must be very wet and take a long time to dry under the best of circumstances. I am familiar with German Winters, spring and Summer. There are times when the humidity level never drys. I have made many molded holsters as well as other molded leather items . Brass would repel moistur so that it would have no choice but to come out the fron, on the back moisture and leather would form a complex metal to leather reaction that would discolor if not blacken the inside of the leather holster. This happens with leather and brass surprisingly fast even on dry leather. Verdegris forms. With the conditions necessary to dry a
hardshell luger holster the metal makeup of brass, the zink and copper would leach out onto the leather. I open many Luger holsters in a week. In most all cases the leather inside is beige, creamy white or clear to some extent. I do not ever recall opening a holster that seemed to have any severe discoloration from exposure to brass and water.
Ron your method of molding is essentially correct but I can be certain brass molds were not employed by German Saddlers. It just dosen't pencil out.
Jerry Burney

Tomathvl · 05-09-2006, 05:14 PM

IMHO this item on ebay doesn't have the right color to be brass. It appears to be metal but not brass.
Tom

Ron Wood · 05-09-2006, 05:47 PM

I'm guessing zinc, probably coated with enamel.

Heinz · 05-09-2006, 09:50 PM

I tend to agree with Jerry. I think these metal molds are fakes assembled by someone who has never molded any leather and decided metal was the ticket. This one looks like some kind of white metal but we have also seen the brass one, complete with famous makers names. Shoemakers use leather mods although they tack on metal frames. Jerry make holsters and I would tend to go with his estimate, although Ron is pretty sharp about these things also

Ron Wood · 05-10-2006, 12:07 AM

I never lock horns with Jerry over Luger leather. He has already forgotten more than I will ever learn.

lugerholsterrepair · 05-10-2006, 12:52 AM

Ron, Heck I don't even know for sure myself...All I know is from experience and logic tells me brass or zink or any other metal is a poor method.
I have searched for years to find a source of period photo's of Saddlers at work. So far I have found only one and they were making PPK holsters or some such. Just cutting them out on a table. There must be some photo's of Luger holster making...Wish I knew where! I would hate to see this go down as a mystery never solved!

Did you get your new Navy holster yet?

Jerry Burney

Ron Wood · 05-10-2006, 01:09 AM

Not yet...hope it turns out to be what I expect.

Pete Ebbink · 05-28-2006, 01:34 PM

HH Heiser holster mold now on e-Bay...made out of aluminum :

http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Heiser-...QQcmdZViewItem

lugerholsterrepair · 05-28-2006, 03:11 PM

Pete, somehow the complete url is not showing up on the Forum when you post.
Maybe a moderator can explain why..It shows at first but then condenses to one that is un useable when posted to the message board.
Jerry Burney

LU1900 · 05-28-2006, 05:12 PM

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Pete Ebbink · 05-28-2006, 05:19 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1

Looks like you cannot use an e-Bay search result link...only the actual auction item number link...had not noticed that before.

05-09-2006, 10:33 AM	#1
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Ebay holster mold This is an interesting item that pops up from time to time. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MakeTrack=true It is my belief that these ponderous heavy things cannot be used to make molded holsters and wood was used instead. I have no proof of this but it stands to reason. Brass does not absorb any moisture which seems required for this operation. It would be impossible to have hundreds of these working at once, and brass was in short supply. Just does not make sense to me. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

05-09-2006, 01:52 PM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Jerry, as "authentic" as this item looks, even the stamps look period to me, but yet the shape does not seem right. I would think it would be larger than it is on top to help form the "bucket" of the holster. This may be for some other type of holster than Luger? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

05-09-2006, 02:33 PM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	I am in a lighthearted mood, so I think I will indulge myself in another one of my flights of fantasy. I think this object might have some validity. If used with a wooden female mold, this heavy metal insert would serve to press down and weight the wet leather into the mold. It would eliminate the need for clamps while turning the exposed edges of the leather to form the sewing flange. Then a flat wood piece could be placed on top of the whole thing and clamped in place while the leather dried. Not a mass production type of operation, but certainly something "Papa Gunter's Sattlery and Yardgoods Shop" could use. This object is only for the body of the holster. Another set of molds are required to form the "bucket". End of daydream. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-09-2006, 02:47 PM	#4
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Ron, I think you and I differ on the term "bucket" ...unless I am further mistaken, you are calling what I would call the "LID" the bucket, and I am calling the main body, the part that could hold water once the holster was assembled, the "bucket"... I do like your daydream! it seems to make sense to me... Cheers. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

05-09-2006, 02:50 PM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Right you are. I was referring to the lid. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-09-2006, 04:14 PM	#6
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Gentlemen all, I believe John is on the money, the shape is wrong for any holster I am familiar with. Ron, Brass is simply the wrong material for the purpose of molding holsters. Molded holsters must be very wet and take a long time to dry under the best of circumstances. I am familiar with German Winters, spring and Summer. There are times when the humidity level never drys. I have made many molded holsters as well as other molded leather items . Brass would repel moistur so that it would have no choice but to come out the fron, on the back moisture and leather would form a complex metal to leather reaction that would discolor if not blacken the inside of the leather holster. This happens with leather and brass surprisingly fast even on dry leather. Verdegris forms. With the conditions necessary to dry a hardshell luger holster the metal makeup of brass, the zink and copper would leach out onto the leather. I open many Luger holsters in a week. In most all cases the leather inside is beige, creamy white or clear to some extent. I do not ever recall opening a holster that seemed to have any severe discoloration from exposure to brass and water. Ron your method of molding is essentially correct but I can be certain brass molds were not employed by German Saddlers. It just dosen't pencil out. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

05-09-2006, 05:14 PM	#7
Tomathvl User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Milan, IN Posts: 363 Thanks: 3 Thanked 48 Times in 19 Posts	IMHO this item on ebay doesn't have the right color to be brass. It appears to be metal but not brass. Tom

05-09-2006, 05:47 PM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	I'm guessing zinc, probably coated with enamel. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-09-2006, 09:50 PM	#9
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 411 Times in 180 Posts	I tend to agree with Jerry. I think these metal molds are fakes assembled by someone who has never molded any leather and decided metal was the ticket. This one looks like some kind of white metal but we have also seen the brass one, complete with famous makers names. Shoemakers use leather mods although they tack on metal frames. Jerry make holsters and I would tend to go with his estimate, although Ron is pretty sharp about these things also

05-10-2006, 12:07 AM	#10
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	I never lock horns with Jerry over Luger leather. He has already forgotten more than I will ever learn. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-10-2006, 12:52 AM	#11
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Ron, Heck I don't even know for sure myself...All I know is from experience and logic tells me brass or zink or any other metal is a poor method. I have searched for years to find a source of period photo's of Saddlers at work. So far I have found only one and they were making PPK holsters or some such. Just cutting them out on a table. There must be some photo's of Luger holster making...Wish I knew where! I would hate to see this go down as a mystery never solved! Did you get your new Navy holster yet? Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

05-10-2006, 01:09 AM	#12
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Not yet...hope it turns out to be what I expect. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-28-2006, 01:34 PM	#13
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	HH Heiser holster mold now on e-Bay...made out of aluminum : http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Heiser-...QQcmdZViewItem

05-28-2006, 03:11 PM	#14
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Pete, somehow the complete url is not showing up on the Forum when you post. Maybe a moderator can explain why..It shows at first but then condenses to one that is un useable when posted to the message board. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

05-28-2006, 05:12 PM	#15
LU1900 User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: FRANCE Posts: 912 Thanks: 46 Thanked 473 Times in 199 Posts	......... __________________ Best regards from France...Patrice https://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2016/03/1...nd-snail-drum/

05-28-2006, 05:19 PM	#16
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1 Looks like you cannot use an e-Bay search result link...only the actual auction item number link...had not noticed that before.