Holster provenance help

Don M · 01-27-2006, 03:23 PM

There is a discussion of this outfit (possible rig) on Jan StillÃ¢??s forum: http://luger.gunboards.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7001.
As discussed there, the holster is accompanied by a 1924-manufactured Luger with Saxon police markings signifying Bautzen and two matching mags numbered 1 and 2 having acceptance stamps of the late 1930s. Whether or not this constitutes a proper Ã¢??rigÃ¢?Â is debatable (and debated!) because there are no markings to tie it to the pistol & mags. I will appreciate any comments on the possible early history of the holster, including any insights as to whether it may have journeyed 300 miles from Bremerhaven to Bautzen to be used by the police in Saxony. It is brown, police style, converted from military. IÃ¢??m no expert but there is no evidence it was cut down from a longer-barreled variation.

It was manufactured in Bremen by K. Budde and is undated. Based on its original use as a military holster, I believe it was manufactured in the Imperial era.

There are ink markings on the inside of the cover that appear to predate the conversion to police. Note that the Ã¢??F.E.Ã¢?Â marking is partially covered by the back flange of the closure stud indicating it predates the conversion. There is also the remnant of what may have been a name (Ã¢??Ã¢?Â¦nningÃ¢?Â) that has been partially erased by removal of some of the leather surface (light area). This seems to predate the Ã¢??F.E.Ã¢?Â mark as the light area extends under a portion of this mark.

Following conversion, the holster was stamped POL.BRH. inside the cover. I know of no documentation identifying this mark but strongly suspect it stands for Polizei Bremerhaven.

lugerholsterrepair · 01-27-2006, 07:10 PM

Don,
It is indeed an Imperial style of manufacture. Seperate hinge from body to top and no backing on the magazine . Nice holster! Jerry Burney

Don M · 01-28-2006, 08:55 AM

Thanks, Jerry. I was hoping to get your imprimatur on this holster.

lugerholsterrepair · 01-28-2006, 09:23 AM

Don, All in all a beautifull example of a Police rig anyone would be proud to have in their collection. Nice markings on the holster. Excellent color. Don't find them like this everyday. Jerry Burney

Lugerdoc · 01-30-2006, 08:56 AM

Don, The last letter of your Police marking appears to me to be an X or K rather than an H. TH

Don M · 01-30-2006, 10:10 AM

Tom, it is not all that clear from the photo but it is definitely an "H."

01-27-2006, 03:23 PM	#1
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Holster provenance help There is a discussion of this outfit (possible rig) on Jan StillÃ¢??s forum: http://luger.gunboards.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7001. As discussed there, the holster is accompanied by a 1924-manufactured Luger with Saxon police markings signifying Bautzen and two matching mags numbered 1 and 2 having acceptance stamps of the late 1930s. Whether or not this constitutes a proper Ã¢??rigÃ¢?Â is debatable (and debated!) because there are no markings to tie it to the pistol & mags. I will appreciate any comments on the possible early history of the holster, including any insights as to whether it may have journeyed 300 miles from Bremerhaven to Bautzen to be used by the police in Saxony. It is brown, police style, converted from military. IÃ¢??m no expert but there is no evidence it was cut down from a longer-barreled variation. It was manufactured in Bremen by K. Budde and is undated. Based on its original use as a military holster, I believe it was manufactured in the Imperial era. There are ink markings on the inside of the cover that appear to predate the conversion to police. Note that the Ã¢??F.E.Ã¢?Â marking is partially covered by the back flange of the closure stud indicating it predates the conversion. There is also the remnant of what may have been a name (Ã¢??Ã¢?Â¦nningÃ¢?Â) that has been partially erased by removal of some of the leather surface (light area). This seems to predate the Ã¢??F.E.Ã¢?Â mark as the light area extends under a portion of this mark. Following conversion, the holster was stamped POL.BRH. inside the cover. I know of no documentation identifying this mark but strongly suspect it stands for Polizei Bremerhaven. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

01-27-2006, 07:10 PM	#2
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,766 Thanks: 4,883 Thanked 3,120 Times in 1,432 Posts	Don, It is indeed an Imperial style of manufacture. Seperate hinge from body to top and no backing on the magazine . Nice holster! Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

01-28-2006, 08:55 AM	#3
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Thanks, Jerry. I was hoping to get your imprimatur on this holster. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

01-28-2006, 09:23 AM	#4
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,766 Thanks: 4,883 Thanked 3,120 Times in 1,432 Posts	Don, All in all a beautifull example of a Police rig anyone would be proud to have in their collection. Nice markings on the holster. Excellent color. Don't find them like this everyday. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

01-30-2006, 08:56 AM	#5
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Don, The last letter of your Police marking appears to me to be an X or K rather than an H. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

01-30-2006, 10:10 AM	#6
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Tom, it is not all that clear from the photo but it is definitely an "H." __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com