e-Bay Refinisher's Services...

Pete Ebbink · 05-20-2005, 07:51 PM

Never heard of a gunsmith auctioning off his gun refinishing services...

Nice before/after photos of a German revolver rework...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...532425689&rd=1

Doug G. · 05-20-2005, 10:15 PM

Pete I used to see this on Ebay, but it was for bolt jeweling. Other boards they advertise to refinish magazines. This guy may run afoul of the law if he is only a C&R holder. By rights he should have a regular FFL as he is conducting a business.

lugerholsterrepair · 05-20-2005, 11:25 PM

Doug, are you sure about this? Yes, He is conducting a business but not the business of buying and selling guns. He should be able to recieve a gun sent to him if he were to send a copy of a C&R. The problem might be in sending it back without a licence. It has always been my understanding you did not need a licence to get a gun you own back. I have not read up on it lately so I may be blowin smoke...Maybe one of the more knowledgable members could chime in. Jerry Burney

John Sabato · 05-23-2005, 09:10 AM

Jerry, you are correct about not requiring a FFL to get back a gun you have shipped to a FFL for repair or refinishing, but the C&R license does NOT entitle you to receive non-C&R weapons in interstate commerce, nor to engage in any kind of business like the of repair of firearms. You can receive C&R weapons for either enhancing your own collection, or for evaluation or appraisal, but not as a business. That takes a standard FFL.

Logging the weapons received in Interstate Commerce into your C&R book and then back out again, when they were not C&R will earn you a nice set of adjustable stainless steel bracelets that are joined together at the center, the first time your books are audited by ATF, or if one of your shipments is opened for inspection...

lugerholsterrepair · 05-23-2005, 10:04 AM

John, As I recall you are quite correct! The C&R is specifically to enhance a collection. I better stick to holster repair...Jerry Burney

Tony S. · 05-23-2005, 06:07 PM

Jerry,
I just sent you a PM.
Thanks, Tony

lugerholsterrepair · 05-23-2005, 06:40 PM

Tony, I got it and sent you a PM and an Email...Shoot me your phone # and perhaps we can hook up in Houston. Jerry

Doug G. · 05-23-2005, 06:57 PM

John hit it on the head. It is the interstate commerce that is the main problem. Secondary is the "conducting" business part that is a no no for a C&R holder. The ATF cannot fine anyone, but they can confiscate guns and turn you into the IRS for a tax anal probe!

05-20-2005, 07:51 PM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	e-Bay Refinisher's Services... Never heard of a gunsmith auctioning off his gun refinishing services... Nice before/after photos of a German revolver rework... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...532425689&rd=1

05-20-2005, 11:25 PM	#3
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Doug, are you sure about this? Yes, He is conducting a business but not the business of buying and selling guns. He should be able to recieve a gun sent to him if he were to send a copy of a C&R. The problem might be in sending it back without a licence. It has always been my understanding you did not need a licence to get a gun you own back. I have not read up on it lately so I may be blowin smoke...Maybe one of the more knowledgable members could chime in. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

05-23-2005, 09:10 AM	#4
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Jerry, you are correct about not requiring a FFL to get back a gun you have shipped to a FFL for repair or refinishing, but the C&R license does NOT entitle you to receive non-C&R weapons in interstate commerce, nor to engage in any kind of business like the of repair of firearms. You can receive C&R weapons for either enhancing your own collection, or for evaluation or appraisal, but not as a business. That takes a standard FFL. Logging the weapons received in Interstate Commerce into your C&R book and then back out again, when they were not C&R will earn you a nice set of adjustable stainless steel bracelets that are joined together at the center, the first time your books are audited by ATF, or if one of your shipments is opened for inspection... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

05-23-2005, 10:04 AM	#5
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	John, As I recall you are quite correct! The C&R is specifically to enhance a collection. I better stick to holster repair...Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

05-23-2005, 06:40 PM	#7
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Tony, I got it and sent you a PM and an Email...Shoot me your phone # and perhaps we can hook up in Houston. Jerry __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

05-20-2005, 10:15 PM	#2
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	Pete I used to see this on Ebay, but it was for bolt jeweling. Other boards they advertise to refinish magazines. This guy may run afoul of the law if he is only a C&R holder. By rights he should have a regular FFL as he is conducting a business.

05-23-2005, 06:07 PM	#6
Tony S. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Virginia Posts: 173 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Jerry, I just sent you a PM. Thanks, Tony

05-23-2005, 06:57 PM	#8
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	John hit it on the head. It is the interstate commerce that is the main problem. Secondary is the "conducting" business part that is a no no for a C&R holder. The ATF cannot fine anyone, but they can confiscate guns and turn you into the IRS for a tax anal probe!

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