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Rod WMG · 12-01-2004, 02:04 PM

Hello everyone! This is a really helpful, great forum. One of the best I've seen from the short time I've been lurking.

Does anyone have a picture(s) of an original lanyard for a Luger? I'm wondering what fit that staple.

Incidentally, it would seem that a lanyard around the neck and held with some tension would be a positive aid in shooting Lugers so equiped.

I don't know much about lanyards, only having bought my first guns with the rings this week, a WWI Ttriple Lock and a mismatched Artillery Model.

Strider · 12-01-2004, 02:25 PM

Hi Rod, let me say welcome to our merry band of Luger nuts. <img border="0" alt="[ouch]" title="" src="graemlins/c.gif" /> Here is a link from the Holster section that has some good pictures of a lanyard that Jerry B. made for Ed, As well as others pictures posted by Pete of different variations. There are some other posts that you can read up on. Just use the search feature at the top of the page. Hope this helps a bit. Again welcome.

Here is the link.

http://forums.lugerforum.com/lugerfo...=000396#000000

Sid.

Rod WMG · 12-01-2004, 02:35 PM

Thanks, Strider, for the welcome and the link. I've been looking t various threads from the different forum, but hadn't got to all the holster posts yet. I'll check it out.

I live in EP, but I don't know where Peralta is. Guess my eduction is lacking.

Thor · 12-01-2004, 02:44 PM

Rod, I live in Rio Rancho, just north of Peralta and Albuquerque. Peralta is located as a red star next to Los Lunas in the picture below. My wife is from El Paso too. I grew up in Carlsbad, just east of El Paso. I went to College in Las Cruces and spent many weekends driving through EP on the way home to Carlsbad. We run Ted's Luger Strawing Service restoring Lugers and other fine German pistols. If you are in the area, stop in and say howdy! Welcome sir!

Rod WMG · 12-01-2004, 03:18 PM

Thanks, Thor! I've been in that area a lot in the past--used to go to the Magdelena area to camp/hunt/etc fairly often. I haven't been north of Belen too many times, but have been to Albuquerque a few times. I've also spent a lot of time camping in the Guadalupes (near Carlsbad).

I've seen the pix here on the forum of your excellent work and I am contemplating taking my arty to you to see what you think. I'd be very interested in meeting you.

Thor · 12-01-2004, 04:03 PM

Thanks Rod, I am planning on traveling to El Paso soon, so perhaps we could meet somewhere. If this is agreeable please email at Thor340@aol.com to confirm time and date. Here is an example of an Artillery Luger that had ZERO percent finish remaining and lots of pitting. Double click on each thumbnail picture for a bigger version.
<a href="http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/MMErfurtBefore.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/MMErfurtBefore.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>
<a href="http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/MMErfurtBefore2.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/MMErfurtBefore2.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>
<a href="http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/MM1914Erfurt1.JPG" target="_fullview"><img src="http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/MM1914Erfurt1.JPG" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

Ron Wood · 12-01-2004, 04:24 PM

Hey you guys, I'm in El Paso too and I really don't have a lot of Luger nuts to talk to here. Please don't leave me out of any get together!

Thor · 12-01-2004, 04:30 PM

Sounds GREAT Ron! I look forward to this meeting too!

Strider · 12-01-2004, 05:14 PM

Hi Rod, glad to help. Peralta is nice piece of country located far enough from Albuquerque yet close enough if I have to get there. There was a skirmish fought from the Civil War not to far from where I live. That would be our claim to fame for this little town. I grew up south of Belen. EP huh? I used to hang out at Sunland Park and NMSU back in the day. We do not want to go there.

Thor, thanks for posting the map. Let me know when you head on down south. It would be fun to get together with you guys and see Ron's smiling face again.

Sid.

Rod WMG · 12-01-2004, 05:16 PM

Ron, when it comes to Lugers, I'll mainly have to listen, but I'll be glad to learn all I can from the two of you, as I've already begun to.

Check you PM's. I look forward to meeting you.

Edward Tinker · 12-01-2004, 07:53 PM

oh, oh, tell me when the luger guys are meeting in El Paso, and I will try to make it too! Steve, a good friend in el Paso has been trying to get me to come down.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Ed

Ron Wood · 12-01-2004, 08:20 PM

Looks like we may have a mini-Lugerfest in the making. Wouldn't that be great!

Edward Tinker · 12-01-2004, 08:31 PM

Since I'd be driving, I can bring cases like you did Ron with my weimars

wterrell · 12-01-2004, 10:23 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> picture(s) of an original lanyard for a Luger? <hr /></blockquote>
Here is a link to some pics of an original lanyard: Guntensperger 1906 Swiss

Rod WMG · 12-02-2004, 02:56 PM

Much appreciated, Wes. Some very good and useful pix.

I suppose I was laboring under an ignorant-about-Lugers misconception that the lanyards were more "traditional."

I still think a longer one which fitted around the neck would be useful for steadying the pistol when firing.

Rod WMG · 12-02-2004, 02:58 PM

Strider, I juat noticed your second post. Apparently I was composing while you were posting it.

I'll be happy to meet all you guys if we can arrange something.

(Had to clean up some spelling.)

Pete Ebbink · 12-02-2004, 03:10 PM

Hey Guys,

I am always a "go" for any Luger Fest event.

Let me know date/time and I will try to make it as well.

I have lots of free SWA airline tickets collecting dust on my refrigerator and would love a chance to see some of Ron Wood's lugers in person and those of others...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Ron Wood · 12-02-2004, 10:45 PM

Well, a half dozen possible Fest attendees. This is getting interesting. Since I am in the process of moving to the new house it isn't the best timing, but it is no big thing. A chance to get a few Lugertics together should never be passed up.

Edward Tinker · 12-02-2004, 10:54 PM

What time frame works for y'all?

I am in Tacoma next week, then in town till mid January...

Ed

lugerholsterrepair · 12-02-2004, 11:41 PM

Wes, I would be interested to see the photo's of lanyards but when I click on this link: Guntensperger 1906 Swiss
I get sent back to the Luger Forum page....What am I doing wrong?

Rod, To answer your question, there are quite a few period lanyards. German, Swiss, Dutch and one I have heard rumors about but have never been able to track down , the elusive Portugese.

The German was made of round leather for the main carrying strap, about the thickness of a slim pencil. This was braided onto a very dainty brass swivel. The end of the swivel had either sewn or brass rivet and stud a flap which connected to the lanyard ring affixed to the pistol. This went through the pistol ring and back onto itself and clasped onto the brass stud. A neat little connector. One that would not mar the pistol in any way.

Original German Lanyards are quite rare and I know of only a handfull in the US. They are relatively common in European collections. I suspect they did not survive very well as they are quite similar to sewing machine belts and might have been salvaged during lean years between wars as leather for this purpose must have been scarce.

Another lanyard often employed was the strap of the German bread bag. This was popular as an ersatz lanyard among Soldiers as it was plentiful. Everyone had one. I have been told by German Soldiers that it was put through the trigger guard. String was also used or perhaps shoelaces. Period photo's show Soldiers using all of these methods.

The Germans actually issued a P08 lanyard in WW1. There is archival military documents to support this, describing it's use and storage under the flap of the holster.

They were issued to Stosstrupp troops, Cavalry and motorcycle troops primarily. The Stosstrupp models I have observed were short, worn around the neck and came about waist high. This enabled the wearer to have close access to the pistol at all times yet have enough room to fully extend the pistol out front and fire it in a normal manner. This was important to these shock troops who operated in the front lines of no mans land, often at night on raiding parties to capture prisoners.
The Cavalry style was longer and worn over the shoulder, affixed to the pistol while holstered.This enabled a mounted Cavalryman to keep the pistol secure even when drawn and used apon a galloping horse. You can imagine the same for motorcycle troops.

You mention that a lanyard could be used to steady the pistol for shooting. I agree it could be used for that purpose if it is the shorter lanyard but I do not believe this was of any use to the aformentioned troops. This would be more along the target shooting use and these troops used the Luger pistol for much more closeup work.

The board stock fit the purpose you are referring to and I have fired many rounds with the ones I have. It is extremely useful for turning an Artillery or Navy pistol into a long range target model. I would NOT want any marksman shooting at me with one. At any distance.

Thanks, Jerry Burney

12-01-2004, 02:04 PM	#1
Rod WMG User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Edge of Texas Posts: 514 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	First post Hello everyone! This is a really helpful, great forum. One of the best I've seen from the short time I've been lurking. Does anyone have a picture(s) of an original lanyard for a Luger? I'm wondering what fit that staple. Incidentally, it would seem that a lanyard around the neck and held with some tension would be a positive aid in shooting Lugers so equiped. I don't know much about lanyards, only having bought my first guns with the rings this week, a WWI Ttriple Lock and a mismatched Artillery Model.

12-01-2004, 02:25 PM	#2
Strider User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 256 Thanks: 26 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Rod, let me say welcome to our merry band of Luger nuts. <img border="0" alt="[ouch]" title="" src="graemlins/c.gif" /> Here is a link from the Holster section that has some good pictures of a lanyard that Jerry B. made for Ed, As well as others pictures posted by Pete of different variations. There are some other posts that you can read up on. Just use the search feature at the top of the page. Hope this helps a bit. Again welcome. Here is the link. http://forums.lugerforum.com/lugerfo...=000396#000000 Sid. __________________ Sid. Patience is a bitter plant, but it has sweet fruit. ~German Proverb If it is made before 1930 ..........It is a prototype.

12-01-2004, 02:44 PM	#4
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Rod, I live in Rio Rancho, just north of Peralta and Albuquerque. Peralta is located as a red star next to Los Lunas in the picture below. My wife is from El Paso too. I grew up in Carlsbad, just east of El Paso. I went to College in Las Cruces and spent many weekends driving through EP on the way home to Carlsbad. We run Ted's Luger Strawing Service restoring Lugers and other fine German pistols. If you are in the area, stop in and say howdy! Welcome sir! __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

12-01-2004, 04:03 PM	#6
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Thanks Rod, I am planning on traveling to El Paso soon, so perhaps we could meet somewhere. If this is agreeable please email at Thor340@aol.com to confirm time and date. Here is an example of an Artillery Luger that had ZERO percent finish remaining and lots of pitting. Double click on each thumbnail picture for a bigger version. <a href="http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/MMErfurtBefore.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/MMErfurtBefore.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> <a href="http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/MMErfurtBefore2.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/MMErfurtBefore2.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> <a href="http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/MM1914Erfurt1.JPG" target="_fullview"><img src="http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/MM1914Erfurt1.JPG" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

12-01-2004, 04:24 PM	#7
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Hey you guys, I'm in El Paso too and I really don't have a lot of Luger nuts to talk to here. Please don't leave me out of any get together! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-01-2004, 02:35 PM	#3
Rod WMG User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Edge of Texas Posts: 514 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks, Strider, for the welcome and the link. I've been looking t various threads from the different forum, but hadn't got to all the holster posts yet. I'll check it out. I live in EP, but I don't know where Peralta is. Guess my eduction is lacking.

12-01-2004, 03:18 PM	#5
Rod WMG User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Edge of Texas Posts: 514 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks, Thor! I've been in that area a lot in the past--used to go to the Magdelena area to camp/hunt/etc fairly often. I haven't been north of Belen too many times, but have been to Albuquerque a few times. I've also spent a lot of time camping in the Guadalupes (near Carlsbad). I've seen the pix here on the forum of your excellent work and I am contemplating taking my arty to you to see what you think. I'd be very interested in meeting you.

12-01-2004, 04:30 PM	#8
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Sounds GREAT Ron! I look forward to this meeting too! __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

12-01-2004, 05:14 PM	#9
Strider User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 256 Thanks: 26 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Rod, glad to help. Peralta is nice piece of country located far enough from Albuquerque yet close enough if I have to get there. There was a skirmish fought from the Civil War not to far from where I live. That would be our claim to fame for this little town. I grew up south of Belen. EP huh? I used to hang out at Sunland Park and NMSU back in the day. We do not want to go there. Thor, thanks for posting the map. Let me know when you head on down south. It would be fun to get together with you guys and see Ron's smiling face again. Sid. __________________ Sid. Patience is a bitter plant, but it has sweet fruit. ~German Proverb If it is made before 1930 ..........It is a prototype.

12-01-2004, 05:16 PM	#10
Rod WMG User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Edge of Texas Posts: 514 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ron, when it comes to Lugers, I'll mainly have to listen, but I'll be glad to learn all I can from the two of you, as I've already begun to. Check you PM's. I look forward to meeting you.

12-01-2004, 07:53 PM	#11
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	oh, oh, tell me when the luger guys are meeting in El Paso, and I will try to make it too! Steve, a good friend in el Paso has been trying to get me to come down.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-01-2004, 08:20 PM	#12
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Looks like we may have a mini-Lugerfest in the making. Wouldn't that be great! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-01-2004, 08:31 PM	#13
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	Since I'd be driving, I can bring cases like you did Ron with my weimars __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-01-2004, 10:23 PM	#14
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva"> picture(s) of an original lanyard for a Luger? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva"> Here is a link to some pics of an original lanyard: Guntensperger 1906 Swiss __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

12-02-2004, 02:56 PM	#15
Rod WMG User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Edge of Texas Posts: 514 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Much appreciated, Wes. Some very good and useful pix. I suppose I was laboring under an ignorant-about-Lugers misconception that the lanyards were more "traditional." I still think a longer one which fitted around the neck would be useful for steadying the pistol when firing.

12-02-2004, 02:58 PM	#16
Rod WMG User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Edge of Texas Posts: 514 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Strider, I juat noticed your second post. Apparently I was composing while you were posting it. I'll be happy to meet all you guys if we can arrange something. (Had to clean up some spelling.)

12-02-2004, 03:10 PM	#17
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hey Guys, I am always a "go" for any Luger Fest event. Let me know date/time and I will try to make it as well. I have lots of free SWA airline tickets collecting dust on my refrigerator and would love a chance to see some of Ron Wood's lugers in person and those of others... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

12-02-2004, 10:45 PM	#18
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Well, a half dozen possible Fest attendees. This is getting interesting. Since I am in the process of moving to the new house it isn't the best timing, but it is no big thing. A chance to get a few Lugertics together should never be passed up. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-02-2004, 10:54 PM	#19
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	What time frame works for y'all? I am in Tacoma next week, then in town till mid January... Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-02-2004, 11:41 PM	#20
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Wes, I would be interested to see the photo's of lanyards but when I click on this link: Guntensperger 1906 Swiss I get sent back to the Luger Forum page....What am I doing wrong? Rod, To answer your question, there are quite a few period lanyards. German, Swiss, Dutch and one I have heard rumors about but have never been able to track down , the elusive Portugese. The German was made of round leather for the main carrying strap, about the thickness of a slim pencil. This was braided onto a very dainty brass swivel. The end of the swivel had either sewn or brass rivet and stud a flap which connected to the lanyard ring affixed to the pistol. This went through the pistol ring and back onto itself and clasped onto the brass stud. A neat little connector. One that would not mar the pistol in any way. Original German Lanyards are quite rare and I know of only a handfull in the US. They are relatively common in European collections. I suspect they did not survive very well as they are quite similar to sewing machine belts and might have been salvaged during lean years between wars as leather for this purpose must have been scarce. Another lanyard often employed was the strap of the German bread bag. This was popular as an ersatz lanyard among Soldiers as it was plentiful. Everyone had one. I have been told by German Soldiers that it was put through the trigger guard. String was also used or perhaps shoelaces. Period photo's show Soldiers using all of these methods. The Germans actually issued a P08 lanyard in WW1. There is archival military documents to support this, describing it's use and storage under the flap of the holster. They were issued to Stosstrupp troops, Cavalry and motorcycle troops primarily. The Stosstrupp models I have observed were short, worn around the neck and came about waist high. This enabled the wearer to have close access to the pistol at all times yet have enough room to fully extend the pistol out front and fire it in a normal manner. This was important to these shock troops who operated in the front lines of no mans land, often at night on raiding parties to capture prisoners. The Cavalry style was longer and worn over the shoulder, affixed to the pistol while holstered.This enabled a mounted Cavalryman to keep the pistol secure even when drawn and used apon a galloping horse. You can imagine the same for motorcycle troops. You mention that a lanyard could be used to steady the pistol for shooting. I agree it could be used for that purpose if it is the shorter lanyard but I do not believe this was of any use to the aformentioned troops. This would be more along the target shooting use and these troops used the Luger pistol for much more closeup work. The board stock fit the purpose you are referring to and I have fired many rounds with the ones I have. It is extremely useful for turning an Artillery or Navy pistol into a long range target model. I would NOT want any marksman shooting at me with one. At any distance. Thanks, Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

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