Send Weapons to Ukraine ?

sheepherder · 03-05-2022, 04:48 PM

I don't think that's a good idea. Tanks require ocean shipping, lots of parts and maintenance workers. Planes could fly there but again require tons of parts/ordnance/fuel etc and maintenance workers. Artillery same thing. It took six months to get the first Iraq war set up. Ukraine doesn't have that much time.

My idea is not to send Ukraine weapons, but to sent Russia missiles.

Lots and lots of missiles.

Edward Tinker · 03-05-2022, 06:45 PM

In the 80's we had 300k army people in Germany - by the time I got to europe, we had less than 100k of All forces.
Its a shame that Ukraine didn't have 50 Warthogs, that would have taken out those convoys...

sheepherder · 03-05-2022, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

Its a shame that Ukraine didn't have 50 Warthogs, that would have taken out those convoys...

Just what I thought when I saw the pics of that stalled 40-mile-long convoy. Does the Ukraine even have an air force? The Germans have Tornado GR-1's...And that German chancellor must know Germany would be high on Putin's list...

A little paint, some blue & yellow flags, and presto! Ukraine Air Force!

sheepherder · 03-06-2022, 02:44 PM

I am really irritated by how the media is ignoring this invasion of the Ukraine. The three major national networks here have downplayed coverage/reporting of Putin's aggression and atrocities. Same with Fox news. CNN is the only one reporting on it as it happens and not leading newscasts with coverage of lost cats and celebrity hosting of award shows. Even my local town newspaper did not announce news of the invasion for three days, and then only on pages 5/6 to paraphrase news releases of US politicians regarding Putin and his relations with US presidents going back to Clinton in 2000.

Putin is the new Hitler and no one in the media notices???

Vlim · 03-06-2022, 03:16 PM

I think the convoy was purposely sent there in order to provoke a NATO duck hunt.

If NATO had taken the bait, Putin would have successfully triggered a global war.

gunnertwo · 03-06-2022, 05:41 PM

Vlim, excellent point! I do think we are seeing the somewhat poor performance of the Russian military.

G2

Heinz · 03-06-2022, 05:59 PM

I think that stalled convoy was supposed to have been a heavy strike force and ran out of gas when they found the diesel had been sold on the black market. But Vlim has a valid alternate theory

pitsword · 03-06-2022, 09:10 PM

Dear Friends, if a few(1or2) SSGN's were at Odesa I do believe ol'vlad might impale him self. Jus sayin

ithacaartist · 03-07-2022, 01:24 AM

"I need ammunition...not a ride." - V. Zelensky

Roadster 02 · 03-15-2022, 08:29 AM

We need to keep our nose out of it, period, and stop sending money that we desperately need to fix our own problems. We are NOT the policemen of the world.

Heinz · 03-15-2022, 03:21 PM

If no one steps up to be the policeman, you get Adolf Hitler.

rolandtg · 03-15-2022, 03:29 PM

I guess the Ukrainians are passing out any P-38's and Lugers they may still have had in storage.
Along with anything else that can shoot.

Roadster 02 · 03-15-2022, 05:17 PM

The Military Industrial Complex is dying to get us into another war, to make a bunch of money, and to kill and maim for life our young men. Notice how the men that get sent to war are rarely ever the sons of the rich or powerful, just the poor and middle class. We just got out of 20 years of conflict, let's get into another and make some more big bucks!!!

Major Tom · 03-16-2022, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

I am really irritated by how the media is ignoring this invasion of the Ukraine. The three major national networks here have downplayed coverage/reporting of Putin's aggression and atrocities. Same with Fox news. CNN is the only one reporting on it as it happens and not leading newscasts with coverage of lost cats and celebrity hosting of award shows. Even my local town newspaper did not announce news of the invasion for three days, and then only on pages 5/6 to paraphrase news releases of US politicians regarding Putin and his relations with US presidents going back to Clinton in 2000.

Putin is the new Hitler and no one in the media notices???

Fox News has so much 'as it happens' coverage it get kinda boring!

03-05-2022, 04:48 PM	#1
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,197 Thanks: 1,416 Thanked 4,462 Times in 2,336 Posts	Send Weapons to Ukraine ? I don't think that's a good idea. Tanks require ocean shipping, lots of parts and maintenance workers. Planes could fly there but again require tons of parts/ordnance/fuel etc and maintenance workers. Artillery same thing. It took six months to get the first Iraq war set up. Ukraine doesn't have that much time. My idea is not to send Ukraine weapons, but to sent Russia missiles. Lots and lots of missiles. __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

03-06-2022, 02:44 PM	#4
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,197 Thanks: 1,416 Thanked 4,462 Times in 2,336 Posts	I am really irritated by how the media is ignoring this invasion of the Ukraine. The three major national networks here have downplayed coverage/reporting of Putin's aggression and atrocities. Same with Fox news. CNN is the only one reporting on it as it happens and not leading newscasts with coverage of lost cats and celebrity hosting of award shows. Even my local town newspaper did not announce news of the invasion for three days, and then only on pages 5/6 to paraphrase news releases of US politicians regarding Putin and his relations with US presidents going back to Clinton in 2000. Putin is the new Hitler and no one in the media notices??? __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

03-07-2022, 01:24 AM	#9
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,376 Thanks: 7,448 Thanked 2,613 Times in 1,380 Posts	"I need ammunition...not a ride." - V. Zelensky __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

03-15-2022, 05:17 PM	#13
Roadster 02 User Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Rocky Mountain High Posts: 316 Thanks: 181 Thanked 263 Times in 90 Posts	The Military Industrial Complex is dying to get us into another war, to make a bunch of money, and to kill and maim for life our young men. Notice how the men that get sent to war are rarely ever the sons of the rich or powerful, just the poor and middle class. We just got out of 20 years of conflict, let's get into another and make some more big bucks!!! Last edited by Roadster 02; 03-15-2022 at 08:06 PM.

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03-05-2022, 06:45 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	In the 80's we had 300k army people in Germany - by the time I got to europe, we had less than 100k of All forces. Its a shame that Ukraine didn't have 50 Warthogs, that would have taken out those convoys...

03-06-2022, 03:16 PM	#5
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	I think the convoy was purposely sent there in order to provoke a NATO duck hunt. If NATO had taken the bait, Putin would have successfully triggered a global war.

03-06-2022, 05:41 PM	#6
gunnertwo User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Nampa, Idaho Posts: 628 Thanks: 844 Thanked 942 Times in 368 Posts	Vlim, excellent point! I do think we are seeing the somewhat poor performance of the Russian military. G2

03-06-2022, 05:59 PM	#7
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 411 Times in 180 Posts	I think that stalled convoy was supposed to have been a heavy strike force and ran out of gas when they found the diesel had been sold on the black market. But Vlim has a valid alternate theory

03-06-2022, 09:10 PM	#8
pitsword User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Southern Maine Posts: 459 Thanks: 3,964 Thanked 103 Times in 83 Posts	Dear Friends, if a few(1or2) SSGN's were at Odesa I do believe ol'vlad might impale him self. Jus sayin

03-15-2022, 08:29 AM	#10
Roadster 02 User Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Rocky Mountain High Posts: 316 Thanks: 181 Thanked 263 Times in 90 Posts	We need to keep our nose out of it, period, and stop sending money that we desperately need to fix our own problems. We are NOT the policemen of the world.

03-15-2022, 03:21 PM	#11
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 411 Times in 180 Posts	If no one steps up to be the policeman, you get Adolf Hitler.

03-15-2022, 03:29 PM	#12
rolandtg User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 479 Thanks: 389 Thanked 265 Times in 114 Posts	I guess the Ukrainians are passing out any P-38's and Lugers they may still have had in storage. Along with anything else that can shoot.