Eric needs help with ID an usual rifle~~

[cirelaw]

Is ammo for this rifle available in the states? What is it! Tks

[danielsand]

Originally Posted by cirelaw

Is ammo for this rifle available in the states? What is it! Tks

Eric,......

8mm Mauser is ABUNDANT in the States. Either as a "military surplus" (cheap), or "commercial ammo" (spendy). All ammo websites have it for sale (AIM for example, but there are tons of others).

I prefer Yugo military surplus, and that's what I shoot. A friend of mine reloads his custom loads, and can shoot "groups" that look like cloverleaf. My military ammo does not shoot groups, but every shot is a "kill".

Commercial ammo is reloadable (Boxer primed) and non corrosive. Military surplus is not reloadable, Berdan primed, and corrosive. Commercial Boxer primed ammo has a much shorter "shelf life" than military Berdan primed ammo, and is much more expensive. If properly stored, Yugo military ammo has a shelf life of 50 years (per JNA manual), at which point it's suggested to rotate the stock. I'll be 60 this year. No need to "rotate" anything!

[Sergio Natali]

"Berdan" ammo is easily available and extremely cheap,actually it makes home reloading absolutely unworthy.

Sergio

[Sergio Natali]

Daniel

Some years ago when I tought I was a K98K collector... I had also a couple of these, and I remember that the scope ZF41 nor ZF42 weren't really nothing spectacular and every time after a few shots of 8x57JS I used to end up with a sore shoulder...

... so I sold it all...

and started to collect Lugers.


Sergio

[danielsand]

I know what you're saying.

ZF41 is my favorite for that period, but we all have to remember,......the rifles, AND the accessories, we are talking about here, belong to the certain time in history. Zeiss 41 was THE scope of the day, but just like weaponry advanced (in some ways), so did the optics.

It's unfair to compare ZF41 to the modern optics, just like it's unfair to compare a modern Mercedes to the one that drove Hitler around.

As far as "sore shoulder"........there is a way to hold the rifle to minimize the impact. Some people even wear shoulder pads over the shooting shoulder (I don't). I fire 3-4 magloads out of my M48, and I can feel the effects of it for few days, but it makes me "feel like a man" in some stupid way. I feel I'm closer to my ancestors when I shoot it.

Today's optics have features that help in the zeroing, range finding, trajectory paths, etc. ZF41 was VERY simple, with masterfully ground lenses (Zeiss is famous for that), and it took a great deal of training and skill to place that "perfect shot".

If you want to see this rifle/scope combo in action, rent "The Enemy at The Gates" and see it against Russian set up.

[cirelaw]

TKS for your fine post!! I love the German sniper rifle and the Ed Harris character!

[Sergio Natali]

Originally Posted by danielsand

I know what you're saying.

ZF41 is my favorite for that period, but we all have to remember,......the rifles, AND the accessories, we are talking about here, belong to the certain time in history. Zeiss 41 was THE scope of the day, but just like weaponry advanced (in some ways), so did the optics.

It's unfair to compare ZF41 to the modern optics, just like it's unfair to compare a modern Mercedes to the one that drove Hitler around.

As far as "sore shoulder"........there is a way to hold the rifle to minimize the impact. Some people even wear shoulder pads over the shooting shoulder (I don't). I fire 3-4 magloads out of my M48, and I can feel the effects of it for few days, but it makes me "feel like a man" in some stupid way. I feel I'm closer to my ancestors when I shoot it.

Today's optics have features that help in the zeroing, range finding, trajectory paths, etc. ZF41 was VERY simple, with masterfully ground lenses (Zeiss is famous for that), and it took a great deal of training and skill to place that "perfect shot".

If you want to see this rifle/scope combo in action, rent "The Enemy at The Gates" and see it against Russian set up.

Daniel and Eric,

I did see that film not long ago really, beautiful but sad like many war films, thank God at least it had an happy ending!
Still on ZF41 / ZF42 here they are called "sniper scopes", but I think at the time they were only for sharpshooters, as they weren't magnifying enough and almost "mass produced".

Sergio

[Sergio Natali]

Eric and Daniel

Still referring to the film "The Enemy at The Gates" Jude Law was using a Mosin Nagant 91/30, never owned one but tried it at the range several years ago.
Fine weapon, but I preferred the K98K, in my opinion the best single action of its time.


Sergio

[cirelaw]

After reading you wonderful comments, I did some more digging and found the sniper gold mine site! You can enlarge every rifle~ http://www.militaryfactory.com/image...urrentPic=pic3

[Sergio Natali]

Daniel

quote " ...If some of you want to go into depth of the Yugoslavian weaponry, you should find a book "Yugoslavian and Serbian Mauser rifles" written by retired JNA Col. Branko Bogdanovic."
unqute

I think I found it: B Bogdanovich "Serbian & Yugoslav Mauser Rifles" North Cape Publshing Inc.

practically the "bible" of the Yugoslav Mausers.


Sergio

[cirelaw]

This morning after reading your wonderful came upon this article~~http://armedbutnotdangerous.blogspot...avian-m48.html

[Sergio Natali]

... yes, but

I still prefer the original K98K ... I still have a weak sport for it...
although it's not rare at all I think they made about 100 million of them, but with a bit of patience in 70/80 years it will become rarer and more expensive.


Sergio

[cirelaw]

Can we try this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6IDbi3wbRg

[danielsand]

Now that you all informed yourselves about the M48 (or M48A), you know how nice these rifles are. K98 is much sought by collectors (ones that collect German weapons exclusively), and clean specimens command pretty high price. M48 went up in price considerably in the last ten years or so, but it's still WAY cheaper than K98.

I purchased mine from a Phoenix PD Sergeant in the condition I mentioned (practically NEW), for $160 back in 2007. Over the years I accumulated a sizable "collection" of the weapons that I was interested in. So in 2007 I decided to give my "collection" some kind of "theme", and since I've spent my childhood in Yugoslavia (already owned several Yugo weapons), I cleaned my safe of some weapons that "didn't fit" into my "theme", and concentrated on Yugo only. Naturally, the M48 was the #1 in the lineup, because it was the first weapon I've ever fired. In the late 90s I was in Bosnia and Croatia, and I used almost all of Yugo armament of that time, "in the field", so I was VERY familiar with all of them.

Some of the weapons I got rid of I will miss for a long time (G3, FAL, Uzi). But now my Yugo lineup consists of M57 pistol, M48, M59/66, M70B1, M70AB1, M72, M76, and M53.

There are still MANY more that "don't fit" into the Yugo theme, but I am emotionally attached to them, and they are staying with me forever.

[danielsand]

Originally Posted by cirelaw

Can we try this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6IDbi3wbRg

I watched this video you posted, and the guy in it is NOT too familiar withe this system. I'll explain.

The "wing" at the end of the bolt he demonstrates to be at "safety on" position in the VERTICAL orientation. This is INCORRECT!

When the "wing" is on the left, the rifle is ready to fire. When it's fully to the right, the rife is "on safe". The vertical position is used ONLY for dis assembly of the bolt! When this wing is vertical, the bolt is removed from the rifle (magazine is empty!!), and in this position (and this position only), the bolt body can be separated from the bolt "head" by depressing the plunger,visible at the "collar". Once the bolt body is separated, the firing pin is placed into the metal "ring" on the stock (on K98), the wing is forced downward with the thumb (against the spring), and the firing pin can be removed, by turning the connector 90 degrees. On M48, the tip of the firing pin is placed into the nut of the crossbolt, and treated the same way (M48 does not have the metal "ring" imbeded into the stock.

Bottom line,.....the rifle is NOT safe with the wing vertical!! The wing should NEVER (as in never-ever) be in the vertical position if the rifle has a round in the chamber. If dropped it can fire.

Be safe folks. This disassembly procedure was drilled into me in the elementary school in Belgrade, back in 1968.

[Sergio Natali]

Originally Posted by danielsand

I watched this video you posted, and the guy in it is NOT too familiar withe this system. I'll explain.

The "wing" at the end of the bolt he demonstrates to be at "safety on" position in the VERTICAL orientation. This is INCORRECT!

When the "wing" is on the left, the rifle is ready to fire. When it's fully to the right, the rife is "on safe". The vertical position is used ONLY for dis assembly of the bolt! When this wing is vertical, the bolt is removed from the rifle (magazine is empty!!), and in this position (and this position only), the bolt body can be separated from the bolt "head" by depressing the plunger,visible at the "collar". Once the bolt body is separated, the firing pin is placed into the metal "ring" on the stock (on K98), the wing is forced downward with the thumb (against the spring), and the firing pin can be removed, by turning the connector 90 degrees. On M48, the tip of the firing pin is placed into the nut of the crossbolt, and treated the same way (M48 does not have the metal "ring" imbeded into the stock.

Bottom line,.....the rifle is NOT safe with the wing vertical!! The wing should NEVER (as in never-ever) be in the vertical position if the rifle has a round in the chamber. If dropped it can fire.

Be safe folks. This disassembly procedure was drilled into me in the elementary school in Belgrade, back in 1968.

Allright, all correct, but remember that Hickock45, that you surely know, is an icon for many of us.




Sergio

[danielsand]

Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

Allright, all correct, but remember that Hickock45, that you surely know, is an icon for many of us.




Sergio

Sorry. I didn't know of his "iconic status". I've never seen the guy before. Once in a while I run into a video on Youtube (I don't go there often) where someone demonstrates something completely wrong (mechanical stuff usually).

I would think that if one goes through the trouble of producing the video, one would research the subject prior to filming. There is no problem if someone claiming to be "an expert" demonstrates a repair on a vintage Jaguar (example). But unsafe handling of a weapon, is a whole different story.

Again,....I'm sorry, but safety in handling the weapons was always a TOP priority during my schooling.

[cirelaw]

Dan I have posted many firearm subjects including his videos that always remain forever popular! There may be some who disagree with his opinions as no one could be 100% on so many firearm topics. Thats not his purpose!!! He is there to demonstrate in his style various firearms that many which we know nothing~ He reminds me of a grandpa I wish I have had~ A continued favorite to many! If you can walk away entertained and some more knowledge on a certain firearm, he has served his purpose~~~Eric Here is his discussion on firearm safety!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQrlDUIZ3f0

[cirelaw]

This is his first with over 100,000 followers ~~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rH-Oxhe19g 45cal

[alvin]

OK. Eric's rifle is an easy one. Just saw a hard one listed by a vendor. Guess what is this?