MAUSER C96 LARGE RING last variation

Sergio Natali · 01-14-2015, 04:27 AM

Recently with a reputable gunshop I saw this C96 late flatside large ring, it's not too bad, my bigger doubts are among the grips, according to "System Mauser" page 72 should have 23 groove walnut grips, while this gun has got hard rubber ones...

Sergio

sheepherder · 01-14-2015, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

Recently with a reputable gunshop I saw this C96 late flatside large ring, it's not too bad, my bigger doubts are among the grips, according to "System Mauser" page 72 should have 23 groove walnut grips, while this gun has got hard rubber ones...

I would treasure the 'hard rubber' grips on a late Large Ring. You didn't say if you bought it...

It looks very nice...

rhuff · 01-14-2015, 03:28 PM

That looks to be a very nice condition C96.

TheRomanhistorian · 01-14-2015, 03:42 PM

That looks a beautiful gun nevertheless. I am waiting to see alvin's learned postings and that of our other forum members.

alvin · 01-14-2015, 04:58 PM

Yes. There is such a variation of flatside with this type of grip panels. I have never owned one, but I saw it before. From these two pictures, although hard to tell it's correct down to everything, the general feeling is very good, the finish is correct with minor erosion and the color tone is correct.

No stock? LRH stock does not come easy. And the stock is fully number with the gun, 5-digit, so it's impossible to find a matching number stock separately.

sheepherder · 01-14-2015, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

this gun has got hard rubber ones [grips]... [/I]

Would those be 'guttaperca' grips???

pilch303 · 01-14-2015, 07:13 PM

Hello!
This is my first posting on lugerforum!
I collector in my area of western Australia has a flat side, large ring same as above fitted with mauser hard rubber grips. I don't have a photo but looked at the pistol about 6 months ago and it looks to be in about the same condition but fitted with a matching stock.
Cheers, Philip

sheepherder · 01-14-2015, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by pilch303

Hello!
This is my first posting on lugerforum!
I collector in my area of western Australia has a flat side, large ring same as above fitted with mauser hard rubber grips. I don't have a photo but looked at the pistol about 6 months ago and it looks to be in about the same condition but fitted with a matching stock.
Cheers, Philip

Welcome Philip!

I wish I was there...It was -4ºF here when I woke up this morning...(That's minus four degrees)...

Can you snag any pics of that Mauser??? Why not open a new thread and post/attach pics of whatever you have in the way of interesting firearms...

Sergio Natali · 01-15-2015, 03:55 AM

Yes those are the so called "guttaperca" grips.

Sergio

alvin · 01-15-2015, 05:57 PM

There is a small booklet on Broomhandle, "Know Your Broomhandle Mauser", it's very well written. On page 90, it has a Flatside with circled WM panels. WM in shield is more commonly seen than WM in circle.

alvin · 01-15-2015, 06:34 PM

There are more.

Sergio Natali · 01-16-2015, 03:25 AM

Alvin,

Thanks for your information, several years ago I did not get that book as I assumed it wasn't that informative, obviously I was wrong.
Recently I looked for some information about large ring flatside Mausers with rubber grips on "The Mauser Self Loading Pistol" and on "System Mauser", althugh two boks have always been my "C96 Bible" I didn't get any result.

Sergio

alvin · 01-16-2015, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

on "The Mauser Self Loading Pistol" and on "System Mauser"

This type of panel is in "The Mauser Self Loading Pistol", page 33. The print quality of the book was poor, but I am sure panel "G" is the one. I heard one of the author, Jack Dunlap, had more than 300 C96s in his collection, that's a lot because the volume of this type of gun was relatively small in 1960s (majority of listings on gunbroker.com today are Chinese import of 1980s). Finding 300 collectible C96s took considerable effort, even when the price was only $30, $50, or $80 at that time. Price was their advantage. But they did not have internet at that time, had to run here or there joining numerous gun shows. Lots of effort, both financially and physically. Nowadays, the number of guns we have viewed are much bigger, thousands at minimum, and sitting in home

Thanks the internet. That's our advantage. Of course, more fakes too.

Douglas Jr. · 01-16-2015, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

Alvin,

Thanks for your information, several years ago I did not get that book as I assumed it wasn't that informative, obviously I was wrong.
Recently I looked for some information about large ring flatside Mausers with rubber grips on "The Mauser Self Loading Pistol" and on "System Mauser", althugh two boks have always been my "C96 Bible" I didn't get any result.

Sergio

Sergio,
I also consider both books as the best sources available even today. However, I still think that the Broomhandle bibliography lacks an effort like Sturgess/Götz and Still books on Lugers.

Regarding the pistol itself, I think it an outstanding example of a Large Ring Hammer. And the grips are a bonus, in my opinion.

Saluti,
Douglas

Sergio Natali · 01-16-2015, 10:30 AM

First of all thanks to Alvin and to Douglas Jr.

To Alvin
perhaps I've got a more recent edition ( 2nd printing 1999) but the printing quality is awful as well, in fact on page 33 I hadn't even noticed the "G" black plastic grips.
Thanks again to both of you for your appreciated opinion.
In the next future I'll keep you posted on this C96.

Sergio

alvin · 01-17-2015, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

In the next future I'll keep you posted on this C96.

Thanks. I am hooked on this type of pistol.

Regarding the small booklet mentioned earlier, it's unlike any other collector gun books. The author probably graduated from English language major, who could present a gun in very romantic manner (most collector books could not). Definitely worth reading.

conehammer · 01-18-2015, 01:57 AM

I have a flat side, 22k serial range with Gutta Percha "angel" grips. The example above is a nice one any collector would welcome.

Jerry

Sergio Natali · 01-18-2015, 03:21 AM

"... I am hooked on this type of pistol."

Dear Alvin

Unfortunately I'm hooked on several types of pistols: Lugers (in the first place), 1911, Pythons, ... but also C96, SIG P210... even GLOCKs and CZ SP01 these two not as collection items of course.
Too many beautiful guns and never enough money... :-)

Of course I'll let you know about that large ring, probably beautiful and surely expensive (the equivalent of USD 4890.00)

alvin · 01-18-2015, 09:26 AM

Flatside without stock in excellent shape probably goes $4k nowadays. Book value is also $4k. Considering the rare grip panels, a little bit higher is normal.

Here is a statistical picture of flatside for sale, and sold recently. Representative ones.

01-14-2015, 04:27 AM	#1
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	MAUSER C96 LARGE RING last variation Recently with a reputable gunshop I saw this C96 late flatside large ring, it's not too bad, my bigger doubts are among the grips, according to "System Mauser" page 72 should have 23 groove walnut grips, while this gun has got hard rubber ones... Sergio Attached Thumbnails __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

01-14-2015, 03:42 PM	#4
TheRomanhistorian User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 301 Thanks: 170 Thanked 88 Times in 64 Posts	That looks a beautiful gun nevertheless. I am waiting to see alvin's learned postings and that of our other forum members. __________________ Michael Nos morituri te salutant - Supposed saying of the gladiators to the emperor ('We, who are about to die, salute you.') 'We are the lantern bearers, my friend; for us to keep something burning, to carry what light we can forward into the darkness and the wind' - From Rosemary Sutcliff's The Lantern Bearers

01-15-2015, 03:55 AM	#9
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Yes those are the so called "guttaperca" grips. Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

01-15-2015, 05:57 PM	#10
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	There is a small booklet on Broomhandle, "Know Your Broomhandle Mauser", it's very well written. On page 90, it has a Flatside with circled WM panels. WM in shield is more commonly seen than WM in circle. Attached Thumbnails

01-15-2015, 06:34 PM	#11
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	There are more. Attached Thumbnails

01-14-2015, 03:28 PM	#3
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,308 Thanks: 2,737 Thanked 993 Times in 729 Posts	That looks to be a very nice condition C96.

01-14-2015, 04:58 PM	#5
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Yes. There is such a variation of flatside with this type of grip panels. I have never owned one, but I saw it before. From these two pictures, although hard to tell it's correct down to everything, the general feeling is very good, the finish is correct with minor erosion and the color tone is correct. No stock? LRH stock does not come easy. And the stock is fully number with the gun, 5-digit, so it's impossible to find a matching number stock separately.

01-14-2015, 07:13 PM	#7
pilch303 User Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 7 Thanks: 15 Thanked 11 Times in 1 Post	Hello! This is my first posting on lugerforum! I collector in my area of western Australia has a flat side, large ring same as above fitted with mauser hard rubber grips. I don't have a photo but looked at the pistol about 6 months ago and it looks to be in about the same condition but fitted with a matching stock. Cheers, Philip

01-16-2015, 03:25 AM	#12
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Alvin, Thanks for your information, several years ago I did not get that book as I assumed it wasn't that informative, obviously I was wrong. Recently I looked for some information about large ring flatside Mausers with rubber grips on "The Mauser Self Loading Pistol" and on "System Mauser", althugh two boks have always been my "C96 Bible" I didn't get any result. Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

01-16-2015, 10:30 AM	#15
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	First of all thanks to Alvin and to Douglas Jr. To Alvin perhaps I've got a more recent edition ( 2nd printing 1999) but the printing quality is awful as well, in fact on page 33 I hadn't even noticed the "G" black plastic grips. Thanks again to both of you for your appreciated opinion. In the next future I'll keep you posted on this C96. Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

01-18-2015, 01:57 AM	#17
conehammer User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 116 Thanks: 1 Thanked 55 Times in 21 Posts	I have a flat side, 22k serial range with Gutta Percha "angel" grips. The example above is a nice one any collector would welcome. Jerry

01-18-2015, 03:21 AM	#18
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	"... I am hooked on this type of pistol." Dear Alvin Unfortunately I'm hooked on several types of pistols: Lugers (in the first place), 1911, Pythons, ... but also C96, SIG P210... even GLOCKs and CZ SP01 these two not as collection items of course. Too many beautiful guns and never enough money... :-) Of course I'll let you know about that large ring, probably beautiful and surely expensive (the equivalent of USD 4890.00) __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list. Last edited by Sergio Natali; 01-18-2015 at 06:13 AM.

01-18-2015, 09:26 AM	#19
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Flatside without stock in excellent shape probably goes $4k nowadays. Book value is also $4k. Considering the rare grip panels, a little bit higher is normal. Here is a statistical picture of flatside for sale, and sold recently. Representative ones. Attached Thumbnails

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