7.65mm Truncated bullet

[Ron Smith]

I've used Hornady 100 gr .312 XTPs in several .30 Lugers over the years. It shoots very well, with absolutely no sign of pressure issues. I shoot them in my .30 shooter now. They are very accurate, and never had a hint of a problem.

[rhuff]

Originally Posted by Ron Smith

I've used Hornady 100 gr .312 XTPs in several .30 Lugers over the years. It shoots very well, with absolutely no sign of pressure issues. I shoot them in my .30 shooter now. They are very accurate, and never had a hint of a problem.

Ron,

Are you resizing these .312in. bullets down to .309in. before loading them, or just loading them as they are? I have wondered for a long time about trying the 110gr FMJ .309 bullets designed for 30 Carbine in a 30Luger brass, but have not done it yet.

[Ron Smith]

Originally Posted by rhuff

Ron,

Are you resizing these .312in. bullets down to .309in. before loading them, or just loading them as they are? I have wondered for a long time about trying the 110gr FMJ .309 bullets designed for 30 Carbine in a 30Luger brass, but have not done it yet.

I load them as they are. I've never had any problems. Nearly every .30 Luger I've slugged have been right at .310 give or take. The Hornady XTPs mic at a hair over .310 , not .312 as marked. They have been extremely accurate, and the top of the cannelure groove is exactly right for OAL on a .30 Luger.

The only "issue" has been that I had a stainless Mec-Gar mag they would bind in, due to the edge on the hollow point. I took it apart and polished the inside front with a dowel and 400 grit paper. It works fine now.

Ron

[rhuff]

Originally Posted by Ron Smith

I load them as they are. I've never had any problems. Nearly every .30 Luger I've slugged have been right at .310 give or take. The Hornady XTPs mic at a hair over .310 , not .312 as marked. They have been extremely accurate, and the top of the cannelure groove is exactly right for OAL on a .30 Luger.

The only "issue" has been that I had a stainless Mec-Gar mag they would bind in, due to the edge on the hollow point. I took it apart and polished the inside front with a dowel and 400 grit paper. It works fine now.

Ron

Thank you for the info. I have an old issue of The Handloader Magazine where they did an article on reloading the 30 Luger round. They used some 32Cal bullets(.312), but sized them to .309in. before loading them. It is always of interest to me to find any bullet that can be used correctly in loading the 30 Luger brass.

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by rhuff

Thank you for the info. I have an old issue of The Handloader Magazine where they did an article on reloading the 30 Luger round. They used some 32Cal bullets(.312), but sized them to .309in. before loading them. It is always of interest to me to find any bullet that can be used correctly in loading the 30 Luger brass.

Hi:

Groove diameter on the 7.65 Parabellum is right at .311.

I've fired gazillions of lead .312s through my 1920 with no problems of any type.

The original FMJ DWM bullets, were, indeed, right at .309.

Sieger

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by rhuff

I have wondered for a long time about trying the 110gr FMJ .309 bullets designed for 30 Carbine in a 30Luger brass, but have not done it yet.

I load 110gr FMJRN 30 carbine bullets in my C96 Mauser reloads; base drilled out to bring weight down to 93-95gr...

I'm pretty sure I mentioned it in a post some time back...

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=25293

[RAY1946]

I slugged mine about 2 weeks ago and I am getting
.3102 across the grooves. However, I was able to slide the base of a .312 wadcutter about .050 past the end of the chamber, so there is a slight throat.....................

[rhuff]

Originally Posted by postino

I load 110gr FMJRN 30 carbine bullets in my C96 Mauser reloads; base drilled out to bring weight down to 93-95gr...

I'm pretty sure I mentioned it in a post some time back...

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=25293

I have read this post more than once with interest. I have a good supply of 30 Carbine 110gr JSP bullets and keep wondering about using them. I don't think that I want to set each bullet up and drill it out as you did, though(too lazy!!). I have found a 92gr LRN bullet that is working out very nicely at the current time. I am pleased with that bullet, but always looking for a FMJ or JSP bullet also. I have used the Hornady, an Sierra 86gr (.308) FMJ intended for the 30 Mauser, and they do pretty well for me. You just have to seat them below the cannalure for a correct OAL.

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by rhuff

I don't think that I want to set each bullet up and drill it out as you did, though(too lazy!!).

me, too. That's why I made the jig to drill 10 at one time...

[RAY1946]

While trying to find more info on the elusive 7.65mm truncated bullet and other 7.65mm projectiles, I ran across a very unique site;"Land of Borchardt".

This is new to me, although many of you have probably been aware of this site. On this site is listed an excerpt from the 1904 DWM munitions catalogue that shows drawings of the 4(type261,7.65mm)bullets available at the time. Low and behold,there on the far right is the 261L(Flachspitzen Geschosse) truncated bullet. Amazingly, this looks like a scaled down version of the German Military 9mm truncated bullet of WW1.

Also shown is a drawing of the standard round-nose bullet with an overall length of 15mm(.5905). This bullet is replicated almost exactly in the current offering from Lee Manufacturing; the 311-100-2R. Although the original is 93grs. and the Lee is listed at 100grs, they are basically the SAME bullet. I have load data for this bullet from Accurate powders using there #5 and #7 powders and may fool with this before going to a design effort for a truncated bullet............RayT