New member here in Kennesaw Ga with police rework purchase

Edward Tinker · 07-25-2010, 11:27 PM

No, thats at 3:50 and I have to be at work by 5:00

To wake up I check email and read the boards, its a 20-30 min drive over here.

ed

pjm30144airborne · 07-26-2010, 08:22 AM

I have actually bought this from a private individual not a dealer.
I have read in my reasearch on the web of several examples of police reworks that had the frame drilled but never had the safety install completed because they were in the process of removing ones all ready installed. I also read in a few pages from a book stating that simson were the only ones approved to rework the pistols after the war. Regardless it has been re barreled with 2 simson eagle over 33stamps and Police tech stamp (PTV) on the barrel with a #4 and 8,81 below that. There is no import stamp. The forward toggle link and rear toggle ling have been replaced as well as the side plate and take down lever all marked with 11 the frame receiver and all other parts are marked 80 for the serial number 780 with kirsif K below serial number. the rear toggle pivot or receiver axle pin is also stamped 80

Edward Tinker · 07-26-2010, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pjm30144airborne

I have actually bought this from a private individual not a dealer.
I have read in my reasearch on the web of several examples of police reworks that had the frame drilled but never had the safety install completed because they were in the process of removing ones all ready installed. I also read in a few pages from a book stating that simson were the only ones approved to rework the pistols after the war. ...

yes on the simson company being the only reworkers.

NO, on the sear safeties being removed. They were never removed. Magazine safeties were removed, but not sear safeties.

SEE THE FAQ FOR FURTHER INFORMATION.

As Don stated, Simson BARRELS were used, and likely put on by the berlin police armory and not put on by Simson.

Ed

pjm30144airborne · 07-26-2010, 04:22 PM

I appreciate all the input. This gun was purchased from the estate of a WWII vet> The guy I bought it from had other things from this estate as well.
Note: all of the second gun parts are #11 and the last owner said he only shot it never did anything to it. Who knows what the vet who brought it back may have done.
This was most likely a police pistol of some kind. The rear toggle pin is serial stamped 80 from the serial number 780 (1932 requirement) and there was once a sear safety as both holes are present. But for some reason the mag safety machining was never completed, only the hole was drilled. I have read on other forums that some sear safeties were removed by armorers during the war here is an example of the DDR (vopo) comments from another forum.

"You bring up an interesting point about the safeties on DDR reworked Lugers. Every one I have seen only has the original safety lever made operational. Any magazine or sear safeties were either removed or disconnected. Removing the Weimar period police safeties seems to be the standard protocol followed by DDR armorers when refurbishing these P.08 pistols.

I would offer the theory that it was standard operating procedure for DDR armorers to refurbish or repair these pistols with only the one safety made operational. My 1957 copy of Waffen- und GelÃ¤ndekunde does not specifically address that issue but does show only the one original safety and only indicates this safety in use.

It seems to make sense that newly manufactured parts, such as the sideplate, might leave space for the old safeties if they were still present. I would think that leaving the cutout on this sideplate would be prudent so that DDR armorers could use the sideplate to repair a pistol that still had the sear safety in place in an emergency. A field armorer in time of war might not have the equipment to remove the sear safety but could put a luger that still had one back into action with this new sideplate"

I am sure I will never know really but it makes for an interesting gun and well worth the $550.00 I paid for it.
$100.00 for the holster. I think I got a good deal.

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07-25-2010, 11:27 PM	#1
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,974 Thanks: 2,072 Thanked 4,607 Times in 2,123 Posts	No, thats at 3:50 and I have to be at work by 5:00 To wake up I check email and read the boards, its a 20-30 min drive over here. ed

07-26-2010, 08:22 AM	#2
pjm30144airborne User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Kennesaw Georgia Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have actually bought this from a private individual not a dealer. I have read in my reasearch on the web of several examples of police reworks that had the frame drilled but never had the safety install completed because they were in the process of removing ones all ready installed. I also read in a few pages from a book stating that simson were the only ones approved to rework the pistols after the war. Regardless it has been re barreled with 2 simson eagle over 33stamps and Police tech stamp (PTV) on the barrel with a #4 and 8,81 below that. There is no import stamp. The forward toggle link and rear toggle ling have been replaced as well as the side plate and take down lever all marked with 11 the frame receiver and all other parts are marked 80 for the serial number 780 with kirsif K below serial number. the rear toggle pivot or receiver axle pin is also stamped 80

07-26-2010, 04:22 PM	#4
pjm30144airborne User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Kennesaw Georgia Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I appreciate all the input. This gun was purchased from the estate of a WWII vet> The guy I bought it from had other things from this estate as well. Note: all of the second gun parts are #11 and the last owner said he only shot it never did anything to it. Who knows what the vet who brought it back may have done. This was most likely a police pistol of some kind. The rear toggle pin is serial stamped 80 from the serial number 780 (1932 requirement) and there was once a sear safety as both holes are present. But for some reason the mag safety machining was never completed, only the hole was drilled. I have read on other forums that some sear safeties were removed by armorers during the war here is an example of the DDR (vopo) comments from another forum. "You bring up an interesting point about the safeties on DDR reworked Lugers. Every one I have seen only has the original safety lever made operational. Any magazine or sear safeties were either removed or disconnected. Removing the Weimar period police safeties seems to be the standard protocol followed by DDR armorers when refurbishing these P.08 pistols. I would offer the theory that it was standard operating procedure for DDR armorers to refurbish or repair these pistols with only the one safety made operational. My 1957 copy of Waffen- und GelÃ¤ndekunde does not specifically address that issue but does show only the one original safety and only indicates this safety in use. It seems to make sense that newly manufactured parts, such as the sideplate, might leave space for the old safeties if they were still present. I would think that leaving the cutout on this sideplate would be prudent so that DDR armorers could use the sideplate to repair a pistol that still had the sear safety in place in an emergency. A field armorer in time of war might not have the equipment to remove the sear safety but could put a luger that still had one back into action with this new sideplate" I am sure I will never know really but it makes for an interesting gun and well worth the $550.00 I paid for it. $100.00 for the holster. I think I got a good deal.