A really rare Luger what's the value

ssgdigital · 06-27-2010, 10:05 AM

The gunsmith where I work at has a Luger that is supposable really rare. I have not seen it so I'm only telling his story here.

It was taken from a concentration camp from a us soldier when they liberated it. All the parts where taken before they were blued or stamped. He received it from his grandfather and assembled it. It's never been fired. How rare is this also is he blowing smoke or could this of happened?

Thanks
Shawn

policeluger · 06-27-2010, 10:08 AM

becareful of the dangers of second hand smoke.....go get some fresh air....run

sheepherder · 06-27-2010, 10:28 AM

It makes a good story...

Edward Tinker · 06-27-2010, 10:40 AM

Sure, anything is possible, I have a non serial numbered, non proof marked luger on our site legacy-collectables.com

Rare, well, it is unusal, but not neccesarily hugely valuable... All depends on how it looks now.

Many parts guns from armorer kits were put together over the years, no markings etc.

Also, why would a concentration camp have luger parts? They quit making lugers in 1942...

Ed

sheepherder · 06-27-2010, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

Sure, anything is possible, I have a non serial numbered, non proof marked luger on our site legacy-collectables.com

Ed - just out of curiosity...how would you transfer/register it??? (If it was sold to a registration-required state)...

This would apply to the OP's Luger as well...

Ron Wood · 06-27-2010, 11:07 AM

Before a certain date (I think maybe prior to the 1966 Gun Control Act) it was not a requirement to serial number guns. So an early gun without serial number, provided it was made that way and not removed, is perfectly legal. It can be transfered by noting "no serial number" on the form.

Ron Smith · 06-27-2010, 11:33 AM

Shawn,

Stay with verifiable Lugers. There weren't any Plated Lugers made for Generals, Officers or U-Boat crews.

There are no verifiable Concentration Camp Lugers. If a dealer or gunsmith has one, it's most likely something that they picked up and are trying to dump it with a BS background war story.

Buy the gun, not the story...

Ron

Edward Tinker · 06-27-2010, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by postino

Ed - just out of curiosity...how would you transfer/register it??? (If it was sold to a registration-required state)...

This would apply to the OP's Luger as well...

yes, true, although see ron's posting below. However the one we have, has a 6 digit number stamped on the rear of the frame.

Ed

ssgdigital · 06-27-2010, 01:46 PM

Oh he doesn't want sell it he said he would never get rid of it. I was just curious

lugerholsterrepair · 06-27-2010, 02:38 PM

Oh he doesn't want sell it he said he would never get rid of it. I was just curious

It's worse than I thought..The owner believes the story!

Jerry Burney

Don M · 06-27-2010, 04:50 PM

It's probably just as well to let the owner continue to live in his dreamworld.

sheepherder · 06-27-2010, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don M

It's probably just as well to let the owner continue to live in his dreamworld.

Perhaps we need a book chronicling the various stories that "rare" Lugers are attributed to..."History Writ In Smoke"...

FNorm · 06-27-2010, 05:04 PM

Lol.... Great idea!!!

Fn

Norme · 06-27-2010, 05:54 PM

As someone who used to sell for a living, I know first hand that there is no more effective sales tool than a good story. Thats why, when I go to gun shows, I don't regret being somewhat hard of hearing. Regards, Norm

CharolayAnitua · 06-27-2010, 06:16 PM

Dear Ed
Interested in your comment re: Concentration camps manufactured lugers till 1942 - Have you any docs you can point me to confirming this?
Thanks
CharolayAnitua

blushirt23 · 06-27-2010, 06:53 PM

I think what was meant was that Luger production on a whole ceased in 1942.

alanint · 06-27-2010, 08:18 PM

Also,
No Luger was ever built in a "Concentration Camp".
That is not to say there were no "guest" or "forced" laborers in arms production, just not in the manufacture of Lugers, to the best of my knowledge....

Edward Tinker · 06-27-2010, 11:20 PM

CORRECT

Should have had 2 lines

P38's used forced labor, do not beleive ANY were considered concentration camps.

EXCEPT for some Krieghoff's after 1942 and put togethers for soldiers after the war and also to assume repair of damaged guns, no new lugers were made by Mauser.

You guys should be nicer to this poor guy, he is simply repeating what he was told by his BOSS and now you've shattered his ego

Ed

Sieger · 06-28-2010, 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ssgdigital

It was taken from a concentration camp from a us soldier when they liberated it.

Hi:

You might ask him just which camp it came from?

Also, you all might remember our President bragging about his grandfather being in on the liberation of Auschwitz.

Funny, when someone on his staff told him that Auswitz was in Poland and that it was liberated by the Red Army, the bragging, suddenly, stoped.

I think it is very low rent to "bump" a person or thing based upon a "fake" association with the Holocost!!!!!!!

Oh well.

Sieger

ssgdigital · 06-28-2010, 07:40 AM

remember I didn't state this as fact, only that is what the gunsmith (definately NOT the boss) told me. I really do believe he believes it and don't want to crush his ego.

That's why I asked on here if it could be true or someone was blowing smoke.

06-27-2010, 10:05 AM	#1
ssgdigital User Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	A really rare Luger what's the value The gunsmith where I work at has a Luger that is supposable really rare. I have not seen it so I'm only telling his story here. It was taken from a concentration camp from a us soldier when they liberated it. All the parts where taken before they were blued or stamped. He received it from his grandfather and assembled it. It's never been fired. How rare is this also is he blowing smoke or could this of happened? Thanks Shawn

06-27-2010, 10:28 AM	#3
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,197 Thanks: 1,416 Thanked 4,462 Times in 2,336 Posts	It makes a good story... __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

06-27-2010, 10:40 AM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	Sure, anything is possible, I have a non serial numbered, non proof marked luger on our site legacy-collectables.com Rare, well, it is unusal, but not neccesarily hugely valuable... All depends on how it looks now. Many parts guns from armorer kits were put together over the years, no markings etc. Also, why would a concentration camp have luger parts? They quit making lugers in 1942... Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-27-2010, 11:07 AM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Before a certain date (I think maybe prior to the 1966 Gun Control Act) it was not a requirement to serial number guns. So an early gun without serial number, provided it was made that way and not removed, is perfectly legal. It can be transfered by noting "no serial number" on the form. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-27-2010, 11:33 AM	#7
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Shawn, Stay with verifiable Lugers. There weren't any Plated Lugers made for Generals, Officers or U-Boat crews. There are no verifiable Concentration Camp Lugers. If a dealer or gunsmith has one, it's most likely something that they picked up and are trying to dump it with a BS background war story. Buy the gun, not the story... Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

06-27-2010, 10:08 AM	#2
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	becareful of the dangers of second hand smoke.....go get some fresh air....run

06-27-2010, 01:46 PM	#9
ssgdigital User Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Oh he doesn't want sell it he said he would never get rid of it. I was just curious

06-27-2010, 02:38 PM	#10
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Oh he doesn't want sell it he said he would never get rid of it. I was just curious It's worse than I thought..The owner believes the story! Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-27-2010, 04:50 PM	#11
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	It's probably just as well to let the owner continue to live in his dreamworld. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

06-27-2010, 05:04 PM	#13
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Lol.... Great idea!!! Fn

06-27-2010, 05:54 PM	#14
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	As someone who used to sell for a living, I know first hand that there is no more effective sales tool than a good story. Thats why, when I go to gun shows, I don't regret being somewhat hard of hearing. Regards, Norm

06-27-2010, 06:16 PM	#15
CharolayAnitua New User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dear Ed Interested in your comment re: Concentration camps manufactured lugers till 1942 - Have you any docs you can point me to confirming this? Thanks CharolayAnitua

06-27-2010, 06:53 PM	#16
blushirt23 User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I think what was meant was that Luger production on a whole ceased in 1942.

06-27-2010, 08:18 PM	#17
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Also, No Luger was ever built in a "Concentration Camp". That is not to say there were no "guest" or "forced" laborers in arms production, just not in the manufacture of Lugers, to the best of my knowledge....

06-27-2010, 11:20 PM	#18
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	CORRECT Should have had 2 lines P38's used forced labor, do not beleive ANY were considered concentration camps. EXCEPT for some Krieghoff's after 1942 and put togethers for soldiers after the war and also to assume repair of damaged guns, no new lugers were made by Mauser. You guys should be nicer to this poor guy, he is simply repeating what he was told by his BOSS and now you've shattered his ego Ed

06-28-2010, 07:40 AM	#20
ssgdigital User Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	remember I didn't state this as fact, only that is what the gunsmith (definately NOT the boss) told me. I really do believe he believes it and don't want to crush his ego. That's why I asked on here if it could be true or someone was blowing smoke.

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