Help In Identification

Snugglekiller · 03-05-2010, 10:06 AM

Could one of you experts help me id these symbols on a luger I obtained privately. It's for sure DWM, serial 3459, with 59 stamped on all parts that are applicable.

Thanks Dudes

George Anderson · 03-05-2010, 10:25 AM

An interesting photo. As for being "for sure DWM" the side plate is from an Erfurt P08. The serial number placement pattern is military while it has a commercial proof; this combination could indicate 1920/21 production. The three marks on the side rail are curious as the center stamp looks to be Swedish. The little Weimar type eagle with what looks like SS runes throws the legitimacy of the whole thing into question in my mind.

Dwight Gruber · 03-05-2010, 11:54 AM

These are proof marks under the 1968 German proof laws. The (Federal)eagle/N is the nitro proof, and the shield-crowns identifies the Köln (Cologne) proof house.

--Dwight

Snugglekiller · 03-05-2010, 02:59 PM

Thank you George and Dwight.

Wayne (Snugglekiller)

George Anderson · 03-05-2010, 04:17 PM

Dwight's a young man and leads a clean life and his eye sight is far better than mine. Sure looked like SS runes to me.

Vlim · 03-05-2010, 05:15 PM

The 'SS' are actually a date code 'IJ' = 1989.

This pistol looks like one that came into Western-Germany after the collapse of the Iron Curtain. It's probably a VOPO!!

sheepherder · 03-05-2010, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwight Gruber

These are proof marks under the 1968 German proof laws. The (Federal)eagle/N is the nitro proof, and the shield-crowns identifies the Köln (Cologne) proof house.

--Dwight

Vlim answered my question...

Vlim · 03-05-2010, 05:38 PM

Germany switched to a letter-coded year code after 1972.

I always forget the exact configuration but I use HH as a reminder (77).

Which leads to this:

A = 0
B = 1
C = 2
D = 3
E = 4
F = 5
G = 6
H = 7
I = 8
J = 9

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03-05-2010, 10:25 AM	#2
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	An interesting photo. As for being "for sure DWM" the side plate is from an Erfurt P08. The serial number placement pattern is military while it has a commercial proof; this combination could indicate 1920/21 production. The three marks on the side rail are curious as the center stamp looks to be Swedish. The little Weimar type eagle with what looks like SS runes throws the legitimacy of the whole thing into question in my mind.

03-05-2010, 11:54 AM	#3
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	These are proof marks under the 1968 German proof laws. The (Federal)eagle/N is the nitro proof, and the shield-crowns identifies the Köln (Cologne) proof house. --Dwight

03-05-2010, 02:59 PM	#4
Snugglekiller New User Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you George and Dwight. Wayne (Snugglekiller)

03-05-2010, 04:17 PM	#5
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	Dwight's a young man and leads a clean life and his eye sight is far better than mine. Sure looked like SS runes to me.

03-05-2010, 05:15 PM	#6
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	The 'SS' are actually a date code 'IJ' = 1989. This pistol looks like one that came into Western-Germany after the collapse of the Iron Curtain. It's probably a VOPO!!

03-05-2010, 05:38 PM	#8
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	Germany switched to a letter-coded year code after 1972. I always forget the exact configuration but I use HH as a reminder (77). Which leads to this: A = 0 B = 1 C = 2 D = 3 E = 4 F = 5 G = 6 H = 7 I = 8 J = 9