Ebay Fraud Alert

Ron Smith · 04-28-2009, 09:40 AM

I recently purchased an "ORIGINAL" Navy marked tool.
The tool is possibly "original", the mark ain't.

John Sabato · 04-28-2009, 09:44 AM

How bout a pic or two of the bogus tool Ron? Just so someone doesn't buy one other than ebay...like at a gun show. they should know what they look like.

policeluger · 04-28-2009, 09:53 AM

I think this name has come up here before, thanks for the heads up.....

abukafura · 04-28-2009, 10:02 AM

Is Kraus the guy from Minnesota?

Ron Smith · 04-28-2009, 10:05 AM

Photos posted. There was also a tool listed that had cursive M intertwined over A as found on the left receiver on some Reichsmarine Lugers.

tenbears · 04-28-2009, 09:17 PM

Have you given any feed back yet on the ebay seller?

FNorm · 04-28-2009, 09:24 PM

Somewhere I saw a side comparison of a real tool and two 'modern' remakes. But now can't find it. Was it in a book or on a Lugar site?

The real was much thinner

FN

Mauser720 · 04-28-2009, 09:54 PM

Ron -

Good/useful/important information. Thank you.

If you have not already done so, you may want to post this on gunboards too.

Mauser720 - Ron

Ron Smith · 04-28-2009, 09:54 PM

FN,

Original tools measure 2.5mm in thickness , give or take a millimeter.

Edward Tinker · 04-28-2009, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FNorm

Somewhere I saw a side comparison of a real tool and two 'modern' remakes. But now can't find it. Was it in a book or on a Lugar site?

The real was much thinner

FN

on the FAQ is a section on it.

Just as a side note, the luger was named after
Georg Luger, although in europe they call it a P08 or Parabellum.

Ed

Ron Smith · 04-29-2009, 02:02 PM

Refund has been received from seller. The tool is going back.

OLDJARHEAD · 04-29-2009, 03:27 PM

Hello Ron,

He probably read your post.

Regards,

Mike Dunham

"Some people live an entire lifetime and wonder if they have made a difference in the world. Marines don't have that problem."
Ronald Reagan

04-28-2009, 09:40 AM	#1
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Ebay Fraud Alert I recently purchased an "ORIGINAL" Navy marked tool. The tool is possibly "original", the mark ain't. Attached Thumbnails __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said... Last edited by Ron Smith; 04-29-2009 at 04:46 PM.

04-28-2009, 09:44 AM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	How bout a pic or two of the bogus tool Ron? Just so someone doesn't buy one other than ebay...like at a gun show. they should know what they look like. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

04-28-2009, 10:05 AM	#5
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Photos posted. There was also a tool listed that had cursive M intertwined over A as found on the left receiver on some Reichsmarine Lugers. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

04-28-2009, 09:54 PM	#9
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	FN, Original tools measure 2.5mm in thickness , give or take a millimeter. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

04-29-2009, 02:02 PM	#11
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Refund has been received from seller. The tool is going back. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

04-28-2009, 09:53 AM	#3
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	I think this name has come up here before, thanks for the heads up.....

04-28-2009, 10:02 AM	#4
abukafura Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northeast Wisconsin, near Greeen Bay Posts: 327 Thanks: 1,314 Thanked 90 Times in 57 Posts	Is Kraus the guy from Minnesota?

04-28-2009, 09:17 PM	#6
tenbears User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 370 Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 15 Posts	Have you given any feed back yet on the ebay seller?

04-28-2009, 09:24 PM	#7
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Somewhere I saw a side comparison of a real tool and two 'modern' remakes. But now can't find it. Was it in a book or on a Lugar site? The real was much thinner FN

04-28-2009, 09:54 PM	#8
Mauser720 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 535 Thanks: 18 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	Ron - Good/useful/important information. Thank you. If you have not already done so, you may want to post this on gunboards too. Mauser720 - Ron

04-29-2009, 03:27 PM	#12
OLDJARHEAD User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 299 Thanks: 18 Thanked 19 Times in 9 Posts	Hello Ron, He probably read your post. Regards, Mike Dunham "Some people live an entire lifetime and wonder if they have made a difference in the world. Marines don't have that problem." Ronald Reagan

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