Another newb with unk P08, pls help!

daskraut · 10-12-2008, 12:08 PM

I bought this pistol in the mid 80's and gave it to a gunsmith who just gave it back yesterday!!. I forgot everything about it, can you please help me identify it?. I also need a barrel as the chamber is very worn out. any and all help would be great. Thanks. DK
Note, this is a duplicate thread, see new collector section please, my mistake.

daskraut · 10-12-2008, 12:19 PM

forgot one;

GerColctor · 10-12-2008, 06:49 PM

daskraut

There are no known LP-08 pistols dated 1913. The barrel on your pistol should have the serial number on the bottom, near where it meet the frame. It should be a different number then the one on the frame. The top of the receiver is not cut to accomodate the tangent rear sight, because there is no tangent sight on this pistol.

The barrel appears to be a replacement.

Joe

alanint · 10-12-2008, 08:52 PM

Interesting barrel witness mark at about the 7 o'clock position.....

daskraut · 10-12-2008, 08:57 PM

OK, not an LP08, I only know it as a luger!. The barrel/upper receiver has the same s/n on it as the rest of the pistol, no replacement , at least for the part that holds the barrel. I saw no serial number on the barrel itself. So what kind of luger/pistol is it?, at least it is a matching number gun.

Karl · 10-12-2008, 09:04 PM

Daskraut,

This appears to be a heavily buffed and rusty 1913 DWM Luger with a long aftermarket barrel. Collector value is zero although it could become a good shooter with a little TLC. I do not understand your need for a new barrel because "the chamber is very worn out." Ordinarily the chamber should never wear out. However, new barrels of standard length or longer are available and easy to have replaced (see Lugerdoc on the forum). KFS

daskraut · 10-12-2008, 09:07 PM

What cut-out do you speak of?, I can see down the sights perfectly.

This is the s/n barrel pic. What witness marks are at 7 oclock that look odd?

Edward Tinker · 10-12-2008, 09:24 PM

Eustace, welcome to the forum. An original artillery barrel would have an artillery sight, yours does not.

It should also have the serial number and a # such as 8,82 on the bottom of the barrel.

A "normal" witness marking would be in the middle, best way to see it is to do a search here on the forum for "witness markings".

We would apprecaite if you would post pictures here on the forum, not on a web hosting site.

Ed

George Anderson · 10-12-2008, 11:42 PM

This 1913 p08 is only fit for shooting as is or selling as parts. In my opinion no money should be spent on it at all.

daskraut · 10-13-2008, 12:08 AM

Jeez George, a tad harsh!. Kinda like saying " that kid is ugly, forget about collage, just put it to sleep!!". Value be damned, I just like the pistol and will gladly spend a little cash on it. What I said about the chamber is exactly the case, where the brass of the round is when a round is chambered, it is oversize and the brass balloons when fired, so a new barrel is needed. I paid $200 for it some years ago so I think for a matching number gun (minus barrel), it is not too bad.

Steinar · 10-13-2008, 03:19 AM

Sure looks like a barrel witness mark + alignment mark on that 5th picture, but on that last picture it looks more like the signature of bubba's pipe wrench. With a new P08 barrel, it would be a fairly nice Luger for making holes in paper. You may also want to look into replacing the take down lever if it hurt your eyes, personally I would not care.

Vlim · 10-13-2008, 06:46 AM

I think this gun has some potential as a project gun. George is correct that the collector value disappeared many years ago. But for that price you can certainly afford to play with it a bit.

With a fresh barrel and a reblue job, this gun can have a lot of fun shooter years ahead of it.

Steinar · 10-13-2008, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tacfoley
Careful, Steinar - you are stepping very close to being accused of being a northern German!!!

best

tak

Quatsch! My relatives einfressen sich in the Gletschers during the iceage and found the frozen dinosaurs zu essen.. they never set a FuÃ?? in Germany!

*EDIT-a few minutes later*
Ahh.. now It makes sence, two identical threads!

..sorry if I steped on any toes somehow..

daskraut · 10-14-2008, 12:03 AM

Now tacfoley, you play nice!. It was not your info or opinion that irked me, it was your tone. Not being an american, you are forgiven, esp since english is your 3rd language. As a Bavarian , I find most northern germans to be very cut and dry, like your comments on that other post. I just did not expect the collecter snobbish tone (unintended I am sure) that came across. To me implements like guns, motorcycles and all fun mechanical things we collect should be used, so I was just caught off guard by the collecter tone.

daskraut · 10-14-2008, 01:27 AM

Now it all makes sense!. a brit??, well either by birth or address, I bet your angry about losing your guns. Me?, I would have started a revolt!!.
"From my cold, dead fingers"

Steinar · 10-14-2008, 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tacfoley

That is why I visit the US as often as I can - to shoot a couple of Lugers [an S/42 and a Krieghoff], as well as a few other handguns and semi-auto long-arms that were saved before the bans here in yUK.

Alles zum Besten

tac

hmpf.. just an hour flight away from norway.. guess our ranges is not good enough eh? Or is it based upon bad experiences from hairy, smelly, drunken vikings waving around with their axes - stealing gold and women?
(I'm thinking of Champions League of course)

Steinar · 10-14-2008, 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tacfoley
Steinar, old floon - Norway is just TOOOOOO expensive!

That's why my relatives left there in the 9th century.

tac

yet another *hmpf..*

Oslo - the city where I spend my weekdays.. has been rated worlds most expencive city, and it's not even a perticulary nice city in my eyes

Grumpy regards,
Steinar
- who is looking forward to moving back north once his work is complete

Balder · 10-14-2008, 01:56 PM

Tac, Steinar, et al;

As previously mentioned, you're more than welcome to the sunny southwestern coast of Norway. Not only is it more scenic than Oslo and eastern Norway, we also have prettier women and better beer. Oh, I almost forgot - better ranges as well.

Tac, if you're worried about the cost you can tent for free in my garden any time; if you come during harvest you can even live off my orchard. I will consider throwing in a steak or two as well.

Steinar · 10-15-2008, 07:28 AM

Balder; I agree on the more beautiful women, scenery, ranges and weather.. but the best beer is found right here bubbling in my bathroom!
This time of year I always make beer and wine for christmas

It has been brought up before, but it would have been great to meet up some day, shoot and brag of our lugers + have a taste from the local orchard or bathroom brewery

10-12-2008, 12:08 PM	#1
daskraut User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Hooterville, cal. Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Another newb with unk P08, pls help! I bought this pistol in the mid 80's and gave it to a gunsmith who just gave it back yesterday!!. I forgot everything about it, can you please help me identify it?. I also need a barrel as the chamber is very worn out. any and all help would be great. Thanks. DK Note, this is a duplicate thread, see new collector section please, my mistake. __________________ Who, me?

10-12-2008, 12:19 PM	#2
daskraut User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Hooterville, cal. Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	forgot one; __________________ Who, me?

10-12-2008, 06:49 PM	#3
GerColctor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: CT & FL Posts: 315 Thanks: 2 Thanked 48 Times in 31 Posts	daskraut There are no known LP-08 pistols dated 1913. The barrel on your pistol should have the serial number on the bottom, near where it meet the frame. It should be a different number then the one on the frame. The top of the receiver is not cut to accomodate the tangent rear sight, because there is no tangent sight on this pistol. The barrel appears to be a replacement. Joe __________________ It is better to have lived a day as a tiger, then a thousand years as a lamb.

10-12-2008, 08:57 PM	#5
daskraut User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Hooterville, cal. Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	OK, not an LP08, I only know it as a luger!. The barrel/upper receiver has the same s/n on it as the rest of the pistol, no replacement , at least for the part that holds the barrel. I saw no serial number on the barrel itself. So what kind of luger/pistol is it?, at least it is a matching number gun. __________________ Who, me?

10-12-2008, 09:07 PM	#7
daskraut User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Hooterville, cal. Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	What cut-out do you speak of?, I can see down the sights perfectly. This is the s/n barrel pic. What witness marks are at 7 oclock that look odd? __________________ Who, me?

10-12-2008, 08:52 PM	#4
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Interesting barrel witness mark at about the 7 o'clock position.....

10-12-2008, 09:04 PM	#6
Karl Lifer - Twice Over Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Savannah Posts: 530 Thanks: 0 Thanked 280 Times in 123 Posts	Daskraut, This appears to be a heavily buffed and rusty 1913 DWM Luger with a long aftermarket barrel. Collector value is zero although it could become a good shooter with a little TLC. I do not understand your need for a new barrel because "the chamber is very worn out." Ordinarily the chamber should never wear out. However, new barrels of standard length or longer are available and easy to have replaced (see Lugerdoc on the forum). KFS

10-12-2008, 09:24 PM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	Eustace, welcome to the forum. An original artillery barrel would have an artillery sight, yours does not. It should also have the serial number and a # such as 8,82 on the bottom of the barrel. A "normal" witness marking would be in the middle, best way to see it is to do a search here on the forum for "witness markings". We would apprecaite if you would post pictures here on the forum, not on a web hosting site. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-12-2008, 11:42 PM	#9
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	This 1913 p08 is only fit for shooting as is or selling as parts. In my opinion no money should be spent on it at all.

10-13-2008, 12:08 AM	#10
daskraut User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Hooterville, cal. Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Jeez George, a tad harsh!. Kinda like saying " that kid is ugly, forget about collage, just put it to sleep!!". Value be damned, I just like the pistol and will gladly spend a little cash on it. What I said about the chamber is exactly the case, where the brass of the round is when a round is chambered, it is oversize and the brass balloons when fired, so a new barrel is needed. I paid $200 for it some years ago so I think for a matching number gun (minus barrel), it is not too bad. __________________ Who, me?

10-13-2008, 03:19 AM	#11
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	Sure looks like a barrel witness mark + alignment mark on that 5th picture, but on that last picture it looks more like the signature of bubba's pipe wrench. With a new P08 barrel, it would be a fairly nice Luger for making holes in paper. You may also want to look into replacing the take down lever if it hurt your eyes, personally I would not care. __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

10-13-2008, 06:46 AM	#12
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	I think this gun has some potential as a project gun. George is correct that the collector value disappeared many years ago. But for that price you can certainly afford to play with it a bit. With a fresh barrel and a reblue job, this gun can have a lot of fun shooter years ahead of it.

10-14-2008, 12:03 AM	#14
daskraut User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Hooterville, cal. Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Now tacfoley, you play nice!. It was not your info or opinion that irked me, it was your tone. Not being an american, you are forgiven, esp since english is your 3rd language. As a Bavarian , I find most northern germans to be very cut and dry, like your comments on that other post. I just did not expect the collecter snobbish tone (unintended I am sure) that came across. To me implements like guns, motorcycles and all fun mechanical things we collect should be used, so I was just caught off guard by the collecter tone. __________________ Who, me?

10-14-2008, 01:27 AM	#15
daskraut User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Hooterville, cal. Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Now it all makes sense!. a brit??, well either by birth or address, I bet your angry about losing your guns. Me?, I would have started a revolt!!. "From my cold, dead fingers" __________________ Who, me?

10-14-2008, 01:56 PM	#18
Balder User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 288 Thanks: 20 Thanked 34 Times in 19 Posts	Tac, Steinar, et al; As previously mentioned, you're more than welcome to the sunny southwestern coast of Norway. Not only is it more scenic than Oslo and eastern Norway, we also have prettier women and better beer. Oh, I almost forgot - better ranges as well. Tac, if you're worried about the cost you can tent for free in my garden any time; if you come during harvest you can even live off my orchard. I will consider throwing in a steak or two as well.

10-15-2008, 07:28 AM	#19
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	Balder; I agree on the more beautiful women, scenery, ranges and weather.. but the best beer is found right here bubbling in my bathroom! This time of year I always make beer and wine for christmas It has been brought up before, but it would have been great to meet up some day, shoot and brag of our lugers + have a taste from the local orchard or bathroom brewery __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

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