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Big Norm · 01-12-2008, 08:53 PM

Tom,
the guy should also have a sideline in photography. His pictures were pretty good too. Other sellers of Lugers should see what was displayed here and copy it in showing their wares.
Big Norm

Big Norm · 01-12-2008, 09:53 PM

OK, the auctions over and Snowman got it. Not the late auction action that I was looking for so I am going to finish my adult beverage and go to bed. But first, my comment, the seller mentioned "Perfect Mirror Like Bore". A 90 year old Luger that needs restoration has a perfect bore? Not likely. Possible barrel replacement. Then there is the arm of the thumb safety that looks like it is flat (maybe too much metal removed?). Ok, the seller did say that the Luger was restored. Then there is that ring around the tip of the barrel. I can't figure that one out. The rough checkering of the grips. OK, the seller did say that they weren't numbered to the gun and the gun is restored. The only serious thing here then is the mint bore and that always sets alarms off in my head.
Big Norm

Pete Ebbink · 01-12-2008, 10:12 PM

Norm,

Maybe the original barrel is still there...but shot out and was relined...so you would have a "mint bore" in that case...

LugerVern · 01-12-2008, 11:27 PM

The barrel has been removed and it looks like a liner put in, did a great job. Look closely at the muzzle you will see a thin lineÃ¢??flange I think. Then the ware mark at the breach is from a barrel wrench and putting the barrel back on. Darn wrenches!

He had to touch up a few of the markings after refinishing too, but a very very good job.

I am glad he got a good price.

Vern

Big Norm · 01-14-2008, 06:54 PM

Good point Pete and Vern. I shoulda thought of it when I noticed the ring around the tip on the barrel. Its been a long time since I've seen a relined barrel. But the ring on the tip of the barrel is pretty close to the outside of the barrel. I would have expected the relining to show on the muzzle instead. Maybe someone can straighten me out on this one.

I still think that this is a pretty high price to pay for this particular gun. The bidders got carried away.
Big Norm

alvin · 01-14-2008, 07:18 PM

I am sorry to post unrelated stuffs in this thread of topic. Last one in this topic -- Here is a PDF I found on the Web regarding how to value a restored gun:

https://store.bluebookinc.com/Info/P...tofValuing.pdf

Pete Ebbink · 01-20-2008, 01:47 PM

Back to the gun that started this Navy discussion...

The saga of this "Navy" and the next buyer in-line continues over on Jan Still's Gun Boards :

http://luger.gunboards.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13962

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01-12-2008, 08:53 PM	#21
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Tom, the guy should also have a sideline in photography. His pictures were pretty good too. Other sellers of Lugers should see what was displayed here and copy it in showing their wares. Big Norm

01-12-2008, 09:53 PM	#22
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	OK, the auctions over and Snowman got it. Not the late auction action that I was looking for so I am going to finish my adult beverage and go to bed. But first, my comment, the seller mentioned "Perfect Mirror Like Bore". A 90 year old Luger that needs restoration has a perfect bore? Not likely. Possible barrel replacement. Then there is the arm of the thumb safety that looks like it is flat (maybe too much metal removed?). Ok, the seller did say that the Luger was restored. Then there is that ring around the tip of the barrel. I can't figure that one out. The rough checkering of the grips. OK, the seller did say that they weren't numbered to the gun and the gun is restored. The only serious thing here then is the mint bore and that always sets alarms off in my head. Big Norm

01-12-2008, 10:12 PM	#23
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Norm, Maybe the original barrel is still there...but shot out and was relined...so you would have a "mint bore" in that case...

01-12-2008, 11:27 PM	#24
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	The barrel has been removed and it looks like a liner put in, did a great job. Look closely at the muzzle you will see a thin lineÃ¢??flange I think. Then the ware mark at the breach is from a barrel wrench and putting the barrel back on. Darn wrenches! He had to touch up a few of the markings after refinishing too, but a very very good job. I am glad he got a good price. Vern

01-14-2008, 06:54 PM	#25
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Good point Pete and Vern. I shoulda thought of it when I noticed the ring around the tip on the barrel. Its been a long time since I've seen a relined barrel. But the ring on the tip of the barrel is pretty close to the outside of the barrel. I would have expected the relining to show on the muzzle instead. Maybe someone can straighten me out on this one. I still think that this is a pretty high price to pay for this particular gun. The bidders got carried away. Big Norm

01-14-2008, 07:18 PM	#26
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	I am sorry to post unrelated stuffs in this thread of topic. Last one in this topic -- Here is a PDF I found on the Web regarding how to value a restored gun: https://store.bluebookinc.com/Info/P...tofValuing.pdf

01-20-2008, 01:47 PM	#27
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Back to the gun that started this Navy discussion... The saga of this "Navy" and the next buyer in-line continues over on Jan Still's Gun Boards : http://luger.gunboards.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13962