Thompson M1a1

CROLUGER · 11-20-2007, 07:26 AM

My guns empire is growing. This is my "new" collection submachine Thompson M1A1. I think it's original WWII, if is original, this Thompson was came in Croatia during WWII like US support to partisans. Also, I have two original boxes .45 ACP from 1943. On the right side is: AUTO-ORDNANCE CORPORATION, BRIDGEPORT CONNECTITUT. USA. On the tleft side: THOMPSON SUBMACHINE GUN CALIBER .45 M1. Is this original WWII, and do you know value of this Thompson M1A1?
Thanks!

Edward Tinker · 11-20-2007, 09:31 AM

looks like a nice Thompson, does it work? Not sure why you are asking value, didn't you just buy it?

There is a huge fundemental difference of value / cost from inside the USA to outside; for one reason, our laws are different in pistol ownership (say compared to Canada) and completely different for sub-machineguns outside the USA...

I always assume what folks are asking is; if I had to buy this in the USA, what would it cost me? But unless you are planning on attending some USA gun shows, then shipping home, not sure what a USA value does for anyone outside the USA

Ed

Navy · 11-20-2007, 11:09 AM

The gun cannot be legally imported unless the importer figures out how to get Congress to amend the May 19, 1986 Gun Owner's Protection Bill that forbade manufacture, import, traffic and possession of any fully automatic weapon not listed in the National Firearms Registry as of 2400 hours May 19, 1986.

The esteamed Mr TAC is correct in his estimate of purchase price in the USA.
Were it in the USA and legally registered, it would be considered a Curio and Relic which tends to add a premium of 10-15% to the value of any transferrable automatic weapon. At the Chantilly show this past weekend, West Hurley AO guns, now classed as C&R due to very limited production, were going for $16, 000.

Tom A
Former Special Occupational Taxpayer (Machine Gun Dealer)

Mauser720 · 11-20-2007, 11:38 AM

Well, when you talk about the ownership of machine guns in America, you need to look at the federal laws as well as the individual state laws. Some states prohibit the ownership of a machine gun (a Class III weapon) and some do not. In some states it is fairly easy. In Nebraska, for example, there are over 1,500 machine guns which are legally owned by private citizens. Below are frequently asked questions and answers from the website of a Nebraska machine gun dealer:

There are a many myths surrounding the ownership of National Firearms Act weapons more commonly known as NFA weapons. These include Machine guns, Suppressors, more commonly known as silencers, short barreled rifles and short barreled shot guns commonly called Ã¢??sawed off shotgunsÃ¢?Â. Here are some facts that will dispel some of the myths, misconceptions and outright lies about ownership of these types of weapons.

Myth: Ã¢??Private Citizens canÃ¢??t own machine guns & silencersÃ¢?Â

Truth: Any Nebraska citizen that can legally own a handgun can own an NFA weapon.

Myth: Ã¢??You have to have some kind of special Class 3 license to own NFA weapons.Ã¢?Â

Truth: No special license is needed to own these weapons. The registration process is a simple one page tax form (ATF form 4) that needs to be filed with the BATF.

Myth: Ã¢??It can take 6 months to a year to get your ATF form 4 approvedÃ¢?Â

Truth: In the old days when the ATF was run by the department of the treasury, transfers did take an exceedingly long time. However in recent years the ATF has been handed over to the Justice Department and is now run by a younger more professional staff that is truly there to help expedite the transfer process. Now transfers typically take 3 to 6 weeks tops.

Myth: Ã¢??You have to pay $200 a year to keep a NFA weaponÃ¢?Â

Truth: You pay a one time tax of $200. You never have to pay that tax again on that weapon. You can will it to your heirs and they will never have to pay the tax.

CROLUGER · 11-20-2007, 02:49 PM

After WWII Yugoslav Army and Milicija used Thompson Submachine. In 1956 Yugoslav arms factorx made machine M56, 7,62 x 25 mm, it looks like MP 40. In Croatia on Collection licence we can have automatic weapon, but barrel must be plugged. I mean automatic and semiautomatic weapon who is not officary armament of police and military force. This Thomspon have plugged barrel, and you cant use them. Many collectors have Thompson, MP 40, MG 42, PPÃ?Â*, PPD, Degtarjev.

thegundude · 11-20-2007, 03:32 PM

Mr. CROLUGER, that is one fine looking and authentic Tommy gun! One of my personal favorites and one I wish I could afford to purchase. One day, perhaps...

I haven't seen a Thompson go for less than $15,000 in the past year, though I admit I don't follow every one I see for sale. A buddy of mine just bought one (a very nice 1928) for $29,000. He got it because it had an authentic violin case of the type used by gansters. It must be nice it have his money...

Also, as I recall, it's not that difficult to replace the bbl on those...

pipeman45 · 11-21-2007, 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tacfoley
Nebraska, here we come....

tac & the family ig

On your way to Nebraska Tac. Don't forget to stop by Knob Creek Kentucky. It's just south of Louisville. Kentucky is Full Auto friendly!
Twice a year people have a little get together and shoot a few truck loads of ammo full auto.
I'm sure some of the guys around here can show you the way.

Kentucky the home of:
Fast horses
Wild women
and Great Bourbon

dz · 11-21-2007, 06:53 PM

There were many many Thompsons for sale in Knob Creek, Ky. this fall, starting at 12,000 for West Hurleys.

BogeyB · 11-21-2007, 07:41 PM

A question...

I know the original Thompsons were made in Bridgeport, CT . Are the West Hurley's original, or the current made ones?

Mike

11-20-2007, 07:26 AM	#1
CROLUGER User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Croatia. Posts: 134 Thanks: 0 Thanked 13 Times in 7 Posts	Thompson M1a1 My guns empire is growing. This is my "new" collection submachine Thompson M1A1. I think it's original WWII, if is original, this Thompson was came in Croatia during WWII like US support to partisans. Also, I have two original boxes .45 ACP from 1943. On the right side is: AUTO-ORDNANCE CORPORATION, BRIDGEPORT CONNECTITUT. USA. On the tleft side: THOMPSON SUBMACHINE GUN CALIBER .45 M1. Is this original WWII, and do you know value of this Thompson M1A1? Thanks! __________________ Luger DWM 1915, Luger BYF 1942, Walther P-38 AC43 & CYQ 1944, Mauser Hsc, Steyr 1909, Frommer Stop 1916, SA XD HS 45, Beretta M34, M70, M72, M950B, 92FS, Browning 1910/22, CZ M-48, CZ PAP M59/66, Winchester 9422M, GLOCK 19.

11-20-2007, 11:38 AM	#4
Mauser720 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 535 Thanks: 18 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	Well, when you talk about the ownership of machine guns in America, you need to look at the federal laws as well as the individual state laws. Some states prohibit the ownership of a machine gun (a Class III weapon) and some do not. In some states it is fairly easy. In Nebraska, for example, there are over 1,500 machine guns which are legally owned by private citizens. Below are frequently asked questions and answers from the website of a Nebraska machine gun dealer: There are a many myths surrounding the ownership of National Firearms Act weapons more commonly known as NFA weapons. These include Machine guns, Suppressors, more commonly known as silencers, short barreled rifles and short barreled shot guns commonly called Ã¢??sawed off shotgunsÃ¢?Â. Here are some facts that will dispel some of the myths, misconceptions and outright lies about ownership of these types of weapons. Myth: Ã¢??Private Citizens canÃ¢??t own machine guns & silencersÃ¢?Â Truth: Any Nebraska citizen that can legally own a handgun can own an NFA weapon. Myth: Ã¢??You have to have some kind of special Class 3 license to own NFA weapons.Ã¢?Â Truth: No special license is needed to own these weapons. The registration process is a simple one page tax form (ATF form 4) that needs to be filed with the BATF. Myth: Ã¢??It can take 6 months to a year to get your ATF form 4 approvedÃ¢?Â Truth: In the old days when the ATF was run by the department of the treasury, transfers did take an exceedingly long time. However in recent years the ATF has been handed over to the Justice Department and is now run by a younger more professional staff that is truly there to help expedite the transfer process. Now transfers typically take 3 to 6 weeks tops. Myth: Ã¢??You have to pay $200 a year to keep a NFA weaponÃ¢?Â Truth: You pay a one time tax of $200. You never have to pay that tax again on that weapon. You can will it to your heirs and they will never have to pay the tax. __________________ Mauser720 - Ron "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it."

11-20-2007, 02:49 PM	#5
CROLUGER User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Croatia. Posts: 134 Thanks: 0 Thanked 13 Times in 7 Posts	After WWII Yugoslav Army and Milicija used Thompson Submachine. In 1956 Yugoslav arms factorx made machine M56, 7,62 x 25 mm, it looks like MP 40. In Croatia on Collection licence we can have automatic weapon, but barrel must be plugged. I mean automatic and semiautomatic weapon who is not officary armament of police and military force. This Thomspon have plugged barrel, and you cant use them. Many collectors have Thompson, MP 40, MG 42, PPÃ?Â*, PPD, Degtarjev. __________________ Luger DWM 1915, Luger BYF 1942, Walther P-38 AC43 & CYQ 1944, Mauser Hsc, Steyr 1909, Frommer Stop 1916, SA XD HS 45, Beretta M34, M70, M72, M950B, 92FS, Browning 1910/22, CZ M-48, CZ PAP M59/66, Winchester 9422M, GLOCK 19.

11-20-2007, 03:32 PM	#6
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Mr. CROLUGER, that is one fine looking and authentic Tommy gun! One of my personal favorites and one I wish I could afford to purchase. One day, perhaps... I haven't seen a Thompson go for less than $15,000 in the past year, though I admit I don't follow every one I see for sale. A buddy of mine just bought one (a very nice 1928) for $29,000. He got it because it had an authentic violin case of the type used by gansters. It must be nice it have his money... Also, as I recall, it's not that difficult to replace the bbl on those... __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

11-21-2007, 07:41 PM	#9
BogeyB Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Mc Donough, GA. Posts: 422 Thanks: 0 Thanked 227 Times in 99 Posts	A question... I know the original Thompsons were made in Bridgeport, CT . Are the West Hurley's original, or the current made ones? Mike __________________ MAGA Always!! NRA Benifactor, GCA

11-20-2007, 09:31 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	looks like a nice Thompson, does it work? Not sure why you are asking value, didn't you just buy it? There is a huge fundemental difference of value / cost from inside the USA to outside; for one reason, our laws are different in pistol ownership (say compared to Canada) and completely different for sub-machineguns outside the USA... I always assume what folks are asking is; if I had to buy this in the USA, what would it cost me? But unless you are planning on attending some USA gun shows, then shipping home, not sure what a USA value does for anyone outside the USA Ed

11-20-2007, 11:09 AM	#3
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	The gun cannot be legally imported unless the importer figures out how to get Congress to amend the May 19, 1986 Gun Owner's Protection Bill that forbade manufacture, import, traffic and possession of any fully automatic weapon not listed in the National Firearms Registry as of 2400 hours May 19, 1986. The esteamed Mr TAC is correct in his estimate of purchase price in the USA. Were it in the USA and legally registered, it would be considered a Curio and Relic which tends to add a premium of 10-15% to the value of any transferrable automatic weapon. At the Chantilly show this past weekend, West Hurley AO guns, now classed as C&R due to very limited production, were going for $16, 000. Tom A Former Special Occupational Taxpayer (Machine Gun Dealer)

11-21-2007, 06:53 PM	#8
dz Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 260 Thanks: 1 Thanked 55 Times in 39 Posts	There were many many Thompsons for sale in Knob Creek, Ky. this fall, starting at 12,000 for West Hurleys.

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