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Douglas Jr. · 12-18-2012, 02:23 PM

Folks,

I think - again, as an outsider - that Olle made some valid points. I do not believe that draconian laws against firearms ownership is a solution against crime waves or a shooting spree. The current problems with high crime ratings and violence in my country is a vivid proof against such theory.

However, stick to the 2nd Amendment as godspel will not allow you to hold this pósition forever. I'm afraid that, legaly speaking, an Amendment is... an amendment, it can be revoked or modified if the proper proceeding is taken by the Congress, as had happened before. It is only a matter of politics, popular support and lobby.

It remembers me a legal lesson in the Roman-Germanic law that says that someone's right ends when the other's starts. I mean, your right to own a gun should not prevail over the right of protection to those who chose not to or are not entitled to carry a gun (as was the children's case).

In a less technical note, I find difficult to say to those parents who lost theis sons and daughters that your right is untouchable and sacred. Those children should be alive and not in a wooden box. And politically speaking, is a shoot in your own foot.

I know how dangerous is to deal with left wings politicians - I have my own experience with the same subject here - but to refuse to sit at the negociation table and discuss alternatives it will only bring those who are silent or haven't care about this subject until now (the "silent majority") against the firearms owners and NRA. You should be able to be part of the solution and not part of the problem, as it may turned out to be.

I'm not what you call "a liberal". Believe me when I say that we (gun owners outside USA) see you and your rights to bear guns (and its effects against crime) as a great argument against antiguns all around the world. So any defeat over here can reverberate on other places. But, again, you must to be prepared to a wiser move than simply saying "no, we don't discuss this".

With my respects.

Douglas.

12-18-2012, 02:23 PM	#11
Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	Folks, I think - again, as an outsider - that Olle made some valid points. I do not believe that draconian laws against firearms ownership is a solution against crime waves or a shooting spree. The current problems with high crime ratings and violence in my country is a vivid proof against such theory. However, stick to the 2nd Amendment as godspel will not allow you to hold this pósition forever. I'm afraid that, legaly speaking, an Amendment is... an amendment, it can be revoked or modified if the proper proceeding is taken by the Congress, as had happened before. It is only a matter of politics, popular support and lobby. It remembers me a legal lesson in the Roman-Germanic law that says that someone's right ends when the other's starts. I mean, your right to own a gun should not prevail over the right of protection to those who chose not to or are not entitled to carry a gun (as was the children's case). In a less technical note, I find difficult to say to those parents who lost theis sons and daughters that your right is untouchable and sacred. Those children should be alive and not in a wooden box. And politically speaking, is a shoot in your own foot. I know how dangerous is to deal with left wings politicians - I have my own experience with the same subject here - but to refuse to sit at the negociation table and discuss alternatives it will only bring those who are silent or haven't care about this subject until now (the "silent majority") against the firearms owners and NRA. You should be able to be part of the solution and not part of the problem, as it may turned out to be. I'm not what you call "a liberal". Believe me when I say that we (gun owners outside USA) see you and your rights to bear guns (and its effects against crime) as a great argument against antiguns all around the world. So any defeat over here can reverberate on other places. But, again, you must to be prepared to a wiser move than simply saying "no, we don't discuss this". With my respects. Douglas.