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Default Imperial Luger with Thai Kor Tor and NAGA marks

Hello Friends,
Last week I have posted in my web site a short introductive study about the Imperial Luger with Thai Kor Tor mark.
This study is far to be definitive but it is a good starting point to share information and try to collect more data on these definitely interesting and scarce models.

Have a look and let me know your opinion and mainly let us know if you have one of these pistols in your collection just to set up a data base of Kor Tor Luger.

Cheers,
Mauro

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Imperial Luger with Thai markings.

M. Baudino

The book “The Mauser Parabellum – analysis of a million of Luger pistol” by Joop van de Kant and Don R. Hallock, describes some Imperial Luger pistol used by the Thai Police. These pistols survived WWI and were sold as surplus to the Royal Thai Police somewhere between 1919 and 1937.

The Royal Thai Police started using Imperial Lugers before that the Mauser Parabellum contract was set up.
Most probably, they decided to pass the contract to Mauser for the “new” Parabellum simply because they were satisfied with the Imperial surplus pistols already in use.

The contract passed to Mauser in 1936-1937 is absolutely understandable considering the fact that:

  1. The Policemen and the gunsmith are already familiar with the Parabellum therefore no additional costs are foreseen for training operational and logistic personnel;

  2. Documentation, User Manual, if available, can be reused as they are; no additional cost to update the documentation.

  3. The Imperial and Mauser model share the same caliber therefore no impact can be foreseen to manage the ammunition stock.


In the end, the selection of the “new” Mauser Parabellum is a cost/effective solution because allows the reuse of competence with no impact in the logistic management.

One of the main differences between the Mauser Parabellum and the Imperial ones, used by the Thai Police, is a specific Bangkok (Kor Tor) mark (see the paragraph Kor Tor).
Until now, no Mauser Parabellum pistols have been reported with this specific mark.

Only a small number of Imperial Lugers with Thai Police marks have been reported, but they are enough to propose possible theories.

Before introducing the theories, let’s clarify the meaning of the marks.

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Picture 1: From the Görtz Archive: M. Baudino Collection

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Picture 2: Imperial Artillery Luger with Regimental Mark, Kor Tor and NAGA marks. M. Baudino Collection


Kor Tor (กท)


Kor Kai or Kor (ก) is the first letter of the 44 letters of the Thai alphabet.
Tor Thahan or Tor (ท) is another letter of the Thai alphabet.

This acronym is read "Kor Tor (กท)" and it is considered to be the abbreviation of Krung Thep, the Thai name for Bangkok, the capital of Thailand.

This interpretation has been validated by Thai sources (see paragraph Sources) as well as by the Thai Embassy in Italy.

Considering the fact that, one of the pistols with the Kor Tor mark shows an Old Bangkok Police Logo supports the interpretation of Kor Tor as the abbreviation of Bangkok.


The number that follows is definitely big and cannot be considered the number of pistols in use. It is most probably a serial number for all the guns available.


NAGA


The NAGA is a mythic animal for Thailand.
One of the more beautiful elements of Thai temples and spiritual places is that of the Naga. Naga is a Sanskrit and Pali word for a deity that takes the form of the great snake, often a king cobra.

For the occidental point of view it is easy to confuse the mark used in the Parabellum pistol, above the lanyard ring, with a lion or an elephant instead of a Naga, closer to the Thai tradition.

The author considers more realistic the interpretation of this symbol as a NAGA instead of a Lion or an Elephant although there is not definitely evidence of that.

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Picture 3,4: NAGA, it is mythic animal for Thailand.


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Picture 5: Imperial Navy Luger with Kor Tor and NAGA marks. Giuliano Alfinito Collection


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Picture 6: Rebarreled Imperial Artillery Luger with NAGA marks. Courtesy Giuliano Alfinito.


Consideration


The first picture form the Görtz archive, shows a Imperial Parabellum with the Kor Tor mark but no the NAGA.

The second and third Imperial Parabellum described, have both the Kor Thor and the NAGA marks.

The Fourth and then all the Mauser Parabellum don’t have the Kor Thor mark.



First hypothesis


It is a fact that the Mauser Parabellum pistols do not receive the Kor Tor mark used by the Bangkok police.
It could be that the Mauser Parabellum pistols were not provided to the Bangkok police but to others Police departments in Thailand.
In this case, the Bangkok police used only Imperial models and these pistols receive the Kor Tor mark.

This hypothesis seems not realistic because the number of pistols indicated by the three digits after the NAGA is small; it represents most probably the number of pistols used by the Bangkok Police and not by the entire Thai Police.



Second hypothesis


Initially the pistols used by the Bangkok police receive only the Kor Tor mark. Probably, others Police departments received a different mark (no evidence of this).

At a certain point, the NAGA mark was introduced for all the pistols and the department mark was not used anymore.

It means that the pistol with the Kor Tor mark have been re-marked with the NAGA mark except the ones not in service anymore; this can justify why the first luger analyzed, from the Görtz archive, shows only the Kor Tor mark and not the NAGA. This pistol, most probably, has been kept by the policeman and it was not submitted to the NAGA re-stamp.

All the others “new” pistols received only the NAGA stamp and not the department one.

The second hypothesis seems, at least to the author, more credible and should be retained until no additional evidences are found.


Conclusion


These Thai (Bangkok) Imperial Parabellum pistols are definitely interesting guns. The lack of official documents is not helping the definition of a correct scenario but we are still in the hypothesis.
The only document available is the certificate released by the Major General Vitoon Pitugpol, Commander of the Quarter Master division in Bangkok, to ODIN certifying that the Mauser Parabellum pistols were used by the Thai Police (see The Mauser Parabellum 1930 – 1946 by Joop van de Kant and Don Hallock - page 502.

It is definitely difficult to have information from the Thai authorities and the tentative of contacting Bangkok Police and others Thai departments fail.

Additional information or evidences provided by collectors are crucial to increase the knowledge about this exotic variation.




Source of the pictures.


The first picture analyzed is from the Joachim Görtz files in the author collection now.
The second picture is from the author collection.
The third and fourth pictures are kindly provided by Giuliano Alfinito.


Sources.


The author would like to thank:

Joop van de Kant and Don R. Hallock for starting the researches about the Imperial Luger with Thai marks.

Uma Sengsomwang Senior Export Sales Executive (Marketing Division) THAI WATANA PANICH PRESS CO., LTD. for the information provided about the marks.

Giuliano Alfinito for the pictures of the Imperial Luger with Kor Tor and NAGA mark.
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