Take down tool Question (pic attached)

Bob in OH · 03-08-2003, 11:33 AM

This tool was in a 1938 dated holster with a 1938 matching luger that I recently snagged. My question is about the tool which is unmarked. With close inspection (this is the first one I have looked at closely) it has nice patina, milling marks and I would guess it is original...yet no WaA? Can someone enlighten me about whether I am correct about originality and what about this unmarked tool!

Ron Wood · 03-08-2003, 11:40 AM

It is a commercial tool, possibly from a Portuguese GNR rig.

Lugerdoc · 03-09-2003, 01:30 PM

The shaft from the hole to the screw driver tip, looks a bit short, but this could just be the angle at which the photo was taken. Its most probably a DWM tool from 1900-1929. They used the same unmarked tool for both military and commerical, including contract, production. If you tool also has serrations on the part that the thumb pushes down on when used, then it is post WW2 EG production, made on the original WW2 KH machinery. Tom H.

Bob in OH · 03-09-2003, 02:33 PM

Thanks Tom and Ron-

Looking at the top of the tool where the thumb might push down, there are three thin and shallow indent lines. Are these the serrations that you're speaking of? Cheers...Bob

Ron Wood · 03-09-2003, 09:58 PM

Those are the serrations Tom is talking about, and since they are present, he has it nailed as an East German production. So it is "original", just original to a different era than I had assumed.

P.S. I responded to your message, please check your private messages.

A.Mifsin · 03-11-2003, 02:05 PM

Tom, very interesting information about this loading tool I have a couple of questions if I may.
What is EG production and what type of machinery is KH?
I have two loading tools one is marked with crown and it seems as a B and serrated as you said , but the other is unmarked and not serrated does it means that it is a fake? and Ron what era are you talking about please.
alfred

Edward Tinker · 03-11-2003, 02:26 PM

EG = East German

I beleive that KH is Krieghoff

03-08-2003, 11:33 AM	#1
Bob in OH User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NE OH Posts: 129 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Take down tool Question (pic attached) This tool was in a 1938 dated holster with a 1938 matching luger that I recently snagged. My question is about the tool which is unmarked. With close inspection (this is the first one I have looked at closely) it has nice patina, milling marks and I would guess it is original...yet no WaA? Can someone enlighten me about whether I am correct about originality and what about this unmarked tool!

03-08-2003, 11:40 AM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,051 Thanks: 1,119 Thanked 5,286 Times in 1,728 Posts	It is a commercial tool, possibly from a Portuguese GNR rig. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

03-09-2003, 01:30 PM	#3
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	The shaft from the hole to the screw driver tip, looks a bit short, but this could just be the angle at which the photo was taken. Its most probably a DWM tool from 1900-1929. They used the same unmarked tool for both military and commerical, including contract, production. If you tool also has serrations on the part that the thumb pushes down on when used, then it is post WW2 EG production, made on the original WW2 KH machinery. Tom H. __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

03-09-2003, 09:58 PM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,051 Thanks: 1,119 Thanked 5,286 Times in 1,728 Posts	Those are the serrations Tom is talking about, and since they are present, he has it nailed as an East German production. So it is "original", just original to a different era than I had assumed. P.S. I responded to your message, please check your private messages. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

03-11-2003, 02:05 PM	#6
A.Mifsin User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Malta Posts: 570 Thanks: 74 Thanked 13 Times in 13 Posts	Tom, very interesting information about this loading tool I have a couple of questions if I may. What is EG production and what type of machinery is KH? I have two loading tools one is marked with crown and it seems as a B and serrated as you said , but the other is unmarked and not serrated does it means that it is a fake? and Ron what era are you talking about please. alfred __________________ I prefer a Luger

03-09-2003, 02:33 PM	#4
Bob in OH User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NE OH Posts: 129 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thanks Tom and Ron- Looking at the top of the tool where the thumb might push down, there are three thin and shallow indent lines. Are these the serrations that you're speaking of? Cheers...Bob

03-11-2003, 02:26 PM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,974 Thanks: 2,072 Thanked 4,607 Times in 2,123 Posts	EG = East German I beleive that KH is Krieghoff __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV