Awwww...

ithacaartist · 07-09-2016, 10:52 PM

Spoiler alert: Looking at the condition of the Lugers in these two lots may cause tears to be shed. What a shame!

https://www.proxibid.com/aspr/Lot-of...ne%3D#topoflot

tharpo · 07-09-2016, 11:14 PM

Painful to look at!

Edward Tinker · 07-10-2016, 12:02 AM

wow, either someone died and they sat in their basement for a long time (which I have heard more than once) or they got wet and neglected or probably both

Interesting saying - sold as relics only...

JTD · 07-10-2016, 12:35 AM

Fresh out of the bunker.............

ithacaartist · 07-10-2016, 01:43 AM

I think it's a collection. There's a Mauser Banner with a sear safety, and the rest is a mix of all vintages... Maybe the auction house would know.

Sergio Natali · 07-10-2016, 02:26 AM

I've seen worse, still it's a real shame, as Ed said, it's likely that the last owner died long ago and they were left forgotten in some basement.

jonnyc · 07-10-2016, 12:47 PM

Whether or not they sell them as "relics", they still need to go via an FFL!

gunnertwo · 07-10-2016, 02:10 PM

Painful is the word, times four.

G2

cirelaw · 07-10-2016, 02:52 PM

Any worse would be those dug up on the eastern front and not by much!! Good candidates for Teds' Magic!!

John Sabato · 07-10-2016, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonnyc

Whether or not they sell them as "relics", they still need to go via an FFL!

They will at the least have to go to a C&R license holder. They ARE complete firearms in the eyes of the BATFE.

cirelaw · 07-10-2016, 04:05 PM

Blind Justice~

Douglas Jr. · 07-12-2016, 09:23 AM

Well, I just managed to got a batch of pistols that were hidden in a cellar for years.
From what I could research up to now, the former owner was a Brazilian Army officer that fought in Italy with the Brazilian Expeditionary Force in 1944-45 in Italy. So those guns were his bring backs.

Guns were hidden in a cellar covered with thick cosmoline grease or something like that for years. Grease has dry, but the guns were somewhat preserved in different levels of success. I don't have them yet (pending paperwork), but I know I'm going to have a lot of work to do. Some of pistols have lost their grips, others looks intact. Here are a Mauser 1914 and a Bergmann Bayard 1910 that are part of this lot. You can have an idea what I'm talking about (and all the work that lies ahead).

hayhugh · 07-12-2016, 10:16 AM

Wish you luck on what looks like a big project...

John Sabato · 07-12-2016, 11:13 AM

That Bergmann Bayard 1910 is really interesting... Good luck on your project.

Douglas Jr. · 07-12-2016, 12:42 PM

Thank you for your words.
In fact this lot comprises the following:
- Ithaca M1911A1 (made in 1944)
- Mauser C96 Bolo
- FN Model 1900
- Mauser Model 1914
- Mauser C96 Wartime Commercial
- Walther PPK (made in 1939)
- Bergmann Bayard 1910

Everything above cost me around US$ 2,200.00. the only relued gun in this lot is the Bolo Mauser. Funny part is that my original intent was to purchase only the Ithaca as I needed a M1911A1 from WWII for my collection. Everything else was bought because the price was too good to reject.

Douglas.

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ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,374 Thanks: 7,447 Thanked 2,613 Times in 1,380 Posts	I think it's a collection. There's a Mauser Banner with a sear safety, and the rest is a mix of all vintages... Maybe the auction house would know. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

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Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	I've seen worse, still it's a real shame, as Ed said, it's likely that the last owner died long ago and they were left forgotten in some basement. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

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Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	Well, I just managed to got a batch of pistols that were hidden in a cellar for years. From what I could research up to now, the former owner was a Brazilian Army officer that fought in Italy with the Brazilian Expeditionary Force in 1944-45 in Italy. So those guns were his bring backs. Guns were hidden in a cellar covered with thick cosmoline grease or something like that for years. Grease has dry, but the guns were somewhat preserved in different levels of success. I don't have them yet (pending paperwork), but I know I'm going to have a lot of work to do. Some of pistols have lost their grips, others looks intact. Here are a Mauser 1914 and a Bergmann Bayard 1910 that are part of this lot. You can have an idea what I'm talking about (and all the work that lies ahead). Attached Thumbnails

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John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	That Bergmann Bayard 1910 is really interesting... Good luck on your project. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

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tharpo Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 543 Thanks: 118 Thanked 383 Times in 158 Posts	Painful to look at!

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Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	wow, either someone died and they sat in their basement for a long time (which I have heard more than once) or they got wet and neglected or probably both Interesting saying - sold as relics only...

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JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 428 Thanks: 218 Thanked 410 Times in 151 Posts	Fresh out of the bunker.............

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jonnyc User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 425 Thanks: 2 Thanked 46 Times in 34 Posts	Whether or not they sell them as "relics", they still need to go via an FFL!

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gunnertwo User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Nampa, Idaho Posts: 628 Thanks: 844 Thanked 942 Times in 368 Posts	Painful is the word, times four. G2

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Any worse would be those dug up on the eastern front and not by much!! Good candidates for Teds' Magic!!

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Blind Justice~

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hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 898 Thanks: 880 Thanked 514 Times in 276 Posts	Wish you luck on what looks like a big project...

07-12-2016, 12:42 PM	#15
Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	Thank you for your words. In fact this lot comprises the following: - Ithaca M1911A1 (made in 1944) - Mauser C96 Bolo - FN Model 1900 - Mauser Model 1914 - Mauser C96 Wartime Commercial - Walther PPK (made in 1939) - Bergmann Bayard 1910 Everything above cost me around US$ 2,200.00. the only relued gun in this lot is the Bolo Mauser. Funny part is that my original intent was to purchase only the Ithaca as I needed a M1911A1 from WWII for my collection. Everything else was bought because the price was too good to reject. Douglas.