42 byf barrel marking question

JohnnieDavis · 03-02-2016, 06:20 PM

Good evening all, curious about this p.08 barrel marking. The seller sent me these pictures of a marking I have not seen on the under side of the barrel yet. Is it an import mark of some kind? It appears to say Kal 9mmP.

Thanks.

JD

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Nomadr · 03-02-2016, 08:12 PM

Tough to see, but to my eyes looks like a British proof. A better close-up would help. Either way, it is a post war stamp.

Bob

mrerick · 03-02-2016, 08:16 PM

I'm trying real hard, and I can't make out the marking details in your photos.

Indicating the caliber on the gun is typically part of an import marking. Caliber 9mm Parabellum is what they would be indicating.

The symbol above the serial number digits could be part of an importer's mark.

John Sabato · 03-03-2016, 10:16 AM

Johnnie... I find the none of the photos to be in clear enough focus to read the stamp even under high magnification. I would ask the seller to retake the photos in natural light and using a tripod to eliminate camera shake...

Lugerdoc · 03-03-2016, 10:56 AM

I too can not read the markings clearly, but doubt that they are either British or Importer markings. I've seen similar markings in this location, indicating a rebarrelling by a commerical firm for commerical sale, usually post WW2. TH

Mac Cat · 03-03-2016, 11:21 AM

"_____ Hammock" ? with double "W" stamp?
I was thinking it might be a Swiss barrel.

What's the length, I wonder ?

JohnnieDavis · 03-03-2016, 11:39 AM

The seller stated it was FWW next to that other marker, waiting on better pictures now but the barrel is matching to the receiver. It has all the makings of being a black widow.

JD

Mac Cat · 03-03-2016, 01:49 PM

I found this reference for FWW and a similar report (Dec 2015).

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The bottom of the barrel has what looks like a 'cross' which some would say are crossed rifles as found on Russian captured firearms. However, this 'cross' consists of four separate strike marks that appear as one separately striked 'cross'.

I have been informed that the unusual proof mark in the left side of the trigger guard is actually a mark added by a post-war firm dealing in firearms. The firm is still active (Frankonia Waffen Wurzburg FWW) and is located in Munich, Germany.

Check it out - test your German !

It does appear that multiple strikes created that mark in the barrel, and possibly too close to each other.

Thanks for sharing this one - hope then forward some better pictures!

JohnnieDavis · 03-04-2016, 06:28 AM

Thanks Mac! So what do you guys think, would that help, hurt or make no difference to the value?

Thanks

JD

DonVoigt · 03-04-2016, 08:54 AM

The extra markings do not help with the value.

DavidJayUden · 03-04-2016, 09:01 AM

I'd need to see better photos so the stamp's purpose could be determined first, but until we clear that up I'd consider the marking to hurt the value a bit.
dju

Sergio Natali · 03-04-2016, 12:17 PM

If I'm not wrong, the logo of Franconia Waffen Wurzburg a German large dealer/importer in sporting goods company should be like two W on top of each other.
I wish I could see a better picture of the above mentioned Luger.

03-02-2016, 08:16 PM	#3
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,925 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,139 Times in 1,520 Posts	I'm trying real hard, and I can't make out the marking details in your photos. Indicating the caliber on the gun is typically part of an import marking. Caliber 9mm Parabellum is what they would be indicating. The symbol above the serial number digits could be part of an importer's mark. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

03-03-2016, 10:16 AM	#4
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,309 Times in 1,098 Posts	Johnnie... I find the none of the photos to be in clear enough focus to read the stamp even under high magnification. I would ask the seller to retake the photos in natural light and using a tripod to eliminate camera shake... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

03-03-2016, 10:56 AM	#5
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	I too can not read the markings clearly, but doubt that they are either British or Importer markings. I've seen similar markings in this location, indicating a rebarrelling by a commerical firm for commerical sale, usually post WW2. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

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DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,356 Times in 2,041 Posts	The extra markings do not help with the value. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

03-02-2016, 08:12 PM	#2
Nomadr Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 276 Thanks: 16 Thanked 28 Times in 22 Posts	Tough to see, but to my eyes looks like a British proof. A better close-up would help. Either way, it is a post war stamp. Bob

03-03-2016, 11:21 AM	#6
Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 769 Thanks: 2,188 Thanked 656 Times in 350 Posts	"_____ Hammock" ? with double "W" stamp? I was thinking it might be a Swiss barrel. What's the length, I wonder ?

03-03-2016, 11:39 AM	#7
JohnnieDavis User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	The seller stated it was FWW next to that other marker, waiting on better pictures now but the barrel is matching to the receiver. It has all the makings of being a black widow. JD

03-04-2016, 06:28 AM	#9
JohnnieDavis User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thanks Mac! So what do you guys think, would that help, hurt or make no difference to the value? Thanks JD

03-04-2016, 09:01 AM	#11
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I'd need to see better photos so the stamp's purpose could be determined first, but until we clear that up I'd consider the marking to hurt the value a bit. dju