A new RIA

Sergio Natali · 11-06-2015, 03:53 AM

Since you all live in the States this is for your browsing pleasure...

http://www.rockislandauction.com/search/2/aid/66

sheepherder · 11-06-2015, 09:22 AM

Wups, my mistake! There seems to be an RIA auction going on this weekend! Nov 6-7-8 2015!

Online Only Auction begins at 9:00 a.m. CT 6 Nov 2015

Thanks Sergio!

Another one coming up on December 4th-5th-6th 2015...

That one is a "Premiere" auction, no big catalog, just the 16 page flyer...I browsed the Dec online catalog yesterday; nothing there I can't live without...

alvin · 11-06-2015, 08:02 PM

No state MG license yet. Otherwise, those Schnellfeuers are interesting.

Sergio Natali · 11-07-2015, 08:48 AM

Alvn

I've got a Schnellfeuer (Mod. 1932/712) unfortunately here where I live there is almost no market for "broomhandles".

sheepherder · 11-07-2015, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

Alvn

I've got a Schnellfeuer (Mod. 1932/712) unfortunately here where I live there is almost no market for "broomhandles".

Sergio - What do the N and R represent??? (Yes, semi & auto, but what German words?)...

alvin · 11-07-2015, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

Alvn

I've got a Schnellfeuer (Mod. 1932/712) unfortunately here where I live there is almost no market for "broomhandles".

Unfortunately, Beijing government has not opened C&R collecting. Otherwise, I bet a Schnellfeuer like yours can easily sell a new BMW 5's price

Curious on Italian gun market.. Three questions:

1) Complex local laws constraint Schnellfeuer's trading?
2) What's the price range for a decent Schnellfeuer sample?
3) What do people usually play on "old gun" domain?

Sergio Natali · 11-08-2015, 03:59 AM

Alvin,

1) laws regarding arms trading are not too strict.
2) the price of a good 1932/712 should be around 2000.00/2500.00 USD but collectors here are very few, and broomhandles collectors are almost non-existent.
So no request = very low prices, hence who's got a nice piece doesn't sell it.
3) I think here there are people that gather (I wouldn't know how to translate it) old guns without value, while real collectors are few and fewer still are really experts.
That's why it's important for me to be part of a Forum like ours and take part to other forums (1911 for example), as there is always a lot to learn.

Best regards and have a nice Sunday.

alvin · 11-08-2015, 04:55 AM

No wonder Sturgess shipped his collection across the ocean to sell here

M1932 for $2k - $2.5K is dirt cheap. Transferable Schnellfeuer sell easily in the US for over $10K, and occasionally I saw them sold over $20K in auctions.

But no worry, in market trading, buying and selling price are not unrelated. As long as those two price tags are balanced, there is no problem at all. No matter it's $2k gun or $10k gun.

I'm thinking about applying a permit for MG next year, but I have not made up my mind yet... due to that's another world in the US context.

One new trend in the US is also "people gather old guns without value". For example, part donors are hot these days (no collector value, but they could donate factory parts, so still very useful). They attract quite a few bids, for example ... extra 15% to 20% BP is not included in the price on the right side yet, but these lots already went 200% to 300% of high estimation yesterday. Very hot!!

alvin · 11-08-2015, 06:15 AM

But return to this RIAC December session. I feel there is a problem with this session. For a few items I am looking I got this feeling -- the quality is not top, but the estimation is not low. Not being a keeper is OK, trader has trader's market, but trader price should be very modest to be attractive for short-term play.

cirelaw · 11-08-2015, 09:59 AM

Few trophy lugers. Most starting prices under $1k~

11-06-2015, 03:53 AM	#1
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	A new RIA Since you all live in the States this is for your browsing pleasure... http://www.rockislandauction.com/search/2/aid/66 __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

11-06-2015, 09:22 AM	#2
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,197 Thanks: 1,416 Thanked 4,462 Times in 2,336 Posts	Wups, my mistake! There seems to be an RIA auction going on this weekend! Nov 6-7-8 2015! *Online Only Auction begins at 9:00 a.m. CT 6 Nov 2015* Thanks Sergio! Another one coming up on December 4th-5th-6th 2015... That one is a "Premiere" auction, no big catalog, just the 16 page flyer...I browsed the Dec online catalog yesterday; nothing there I can't live without... __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

11-07-2015, 08:48 AM	#4
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Alvn I've got a Schnellfeuer (Mod. 1932/712) unfortunately here where I live there is almost no market for "broomhandles". Attached Thumbnails __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

11-08-2015, 03:59 AM	#7
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Alvin, 1) laws regarding arms trading are not too strict. 2) the price of a good 1932/712 should be around 2000.00/2500.00 USD but collectors here are very few, and broomhandles collectors are almost non-existent. So no request = very low prices, hence who's got a nice piece doesn't sell it. 3) I think here there are people that gather (I wouldn't know how to translate it) old guns without value, while real collectors are few and fewer still are really experts. That's why it's important for me to be part of a Forum like ours and take part to other forums (1911 for example), as there is always a lot to learn. Best regards and have a nice Sunday. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

11-08-2015, 04:55 AM	#8
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	No wonder Sturgess shipped his collection across the ocean to sell here M1932 for $2k - $2.5K is dirt cheap. Transferable Schnellfeuer sell easily in the US for over $10K, and occasionally I saw them sold over $20K in auctions. But no worry, in market trading, buying and selling price are not unrelated. As long as those two price tags are balanced, there is no problem at all. No matter it's $2k gun or $10k gun. I'm thinking about applying a permit for MG next year, but I have not made up my mind yet... due to that's another world in the US context. One new trend in the US is also "people gather old guns without value". For example, part donors are hot these days (no collector value, but they could donate factory parts, so still very useful). They attract quite a few bids, for example ... extra 15% to 20% BP is not included in the price on the right side yet, but these lots already went 200% to 300% of high estimation yesterday. Very hot!! Attached Thumbnails

11-06-2015, 08:02 PM	#3
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	No state MG license yet. Otherwise, those Schnellfeuers are interesting.

11-08-2015, 06:15 AM	#9
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	But return to this RIAC December session. I feel there is a problem with this session. For a few items I am looking I got this feeling -- the quality is not top, but the estimation is not low. Not being a keeper is OK, trader has trader's market, but trader price should be very modest to be attractive for short-term play.

11-08-2015, 09:59 AM	#10
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Few trophy lugers. Most starting prices under $1k~