Curious Mag...???

Pete Ebbink · 11-25-2005, 12:54 PM

Anyone seen another one like this ?

Paticularly of interest to me are those "9 m/m" stampings...have folks seen this style on other magagines before ? Any book references ?

http://cgi.ebay.com/WWI-Luger-Cal-9M...QQcmdZViewItem

Ron Wood · 11-25-2005, 02:13 PM

Pete,
9m/m script magazines are found in 1902 Fat Barrels, 1906 Commercial and AE, and 1906 Russian. It is a commercial magazine. I haven't seen a 9m/m Navy before. I am pretty sure you will find them referenced in most Luger books.

Dwight Gruber · 11-25-2005, 02:28 PM

Kenyon (p.92) notes that some 1906 Navy Commercials were provided with magazines like this.

--Dwight

drbuster · 11-25-2005, 03:16 PM

One pristine commercial Navy changed hands at the recent Reno show with such a magazine.

luger11 · 11-25-2005, 03:17 PM

Hi Pete.....It should read............Cal. 9m/m on the mag bottom. I do not see the "cal." on this particular mag.

Leo

Dwight Gruber · 11-25-2005, 03:35 PM

Leo,

A good point, and one I glossed over in my Kenyon reference (he does, indeed, say "Cal. 9m/m".

Note who the seller is.

--Dwight

luger11 · 11-25-2005, 05:30 PM

Dwight..I rest my case.

Leo

Ron Wood · 11-25-2005, 09:22 PM

He says it has "Cal 9mm" on the bottom, but darned if I can see the "Cal".

Pete Ebbink · 11-25-2005, 09:38 PM

I was checking to see which Members were awake...

I thought it should read "Cal 9m/m" as well...

Ed...the trouble with whiting (and now...your yellowing) is you cannot see the real nature of the stampings underneath...

Ron Wood · 11-26-2005, 12:20 AM

OK, you caught me napping

Guess I shoulda known you wouldn't ask such a basic question without a trick up your sleeve!

I took too quick of a look and just assumed the "Cal" didn't show up on the picture.

Dwight Gruber · 11-26-2005, 01:08 AM

I'm curious to know how the 9m/m compare to the stamping of an original. I've gone through my library and can't find a picture of one, anybody got one they can post?

--Dwight

luger11 · 11-26-2005, 08:51 AM

Dwight.........If Pete will assist me in posting a picture I will send one to him.

Leo

drbuster · 11-26-2005, 11:20 AM

Whoa Nellie! If I am not missing something, I was under the impression that the Navy commercial originally had the "Cal 9mm" stamped on the bottom of a commercial non-concentric circled magazine! I have never seen or heard of such a stamping on a "real" concentric ringed magazine. And yes, it SHOULD have the "Cal" there. The 9mm stamping looks very sharp and fresh and with the previous caveats regarding the seller, I would look at this magazine with utmost suspicion and doubt at to its originality.

luger11 · 11-26-2005, 12:01 PM

According to Mr. Kenyon on page 92 of his book LAR the wood bottom is concentric ringed.

Leo

drbuster · 11-26-2005, 01:25 PM

I will check with a noted authority on this subject (Mike Krause) and get back later.

Navy · 11-26-2005, 07:11 PM

You will find Cal 9MM on both type mags if you examine enough samples.

Tom A

drbuster · 11-26-2005, 07:25 PM

Tom Armstrong is absolutely correct and Mike Krause concurs. He also said that the "9mm" without the associated "Cal" should be viewed as highly suspect.

Pete Ebbink · 11-26-2005, 09:52 PM

Doc,

Do not forget we know of a fellow that sells nice "Cal 9m/m" wooden magazines from the MO area as well...(i.e. NOT Tom Heller...). I think you even have a copy of his order list...

Nice, new sharp stampings in the wood should typically be the tip-off...

drbuster · 11-27-2005, 09:59 AM

Pete, do you mean the gentleman who fixes that million dollar chip on grips and reworks 1920 commercials to the buyer's specifications?

Pete Ebbink · 12-04-2005, 07:17 PM

Hope this e-Bay seller is not a LF member :

" us2008 "

He is going for it to the tune of $ 400...

11-25-2005, 12:54 PM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts	Curious Mag...??? Anyone seen another one like this ? Paticularly of interest to me are those "9 m/m" stampings...have folks seen this style on other magagines before ? Any book references ? http://cgi.ebay.com/WWI-Luger-Cal-9M...QQcmdZViewItem

11-25-2005, 02:13 PM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,051 Thanks: 1,120 Thanked 5,287 Times in 1,728 Posts	Pete, 9m/m script magazines are found in 1902 Fat Barrels, 1906 Commercial and AE, and 1906 Russian. It is a commercial magazine. I haven't seen a 9m/m Navy before. I am pretty sure you will find them referenced in most Luger books. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

11-25-2005, 09:22 PM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,051 Thanks: 1,120 Thanked 5,287 Times in 1,728 Posts	He says it has "Cal 9mm" on the bottom, but darned if I can see the "Cal". __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

11-26-2005, 12:20 AM	#10
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,051 Thanks: 1,120 Thanked 5,287 Times in 1,728 Posts	OK, you caught me napping Guess I shoulda known you wouldn't ask such a basic question without a trick up your sleeve! I took too quick of a look and just assumed the "Cal" didn't show up on the picture. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

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11-25-2005, 02:28 PM	#3
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	Kenyon (p.92) notes that some 1906 Navy Commercials were provided with magazines like this. --Dwight

11-25-2005, 03:16 PM	#4
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	One pristine commercial Navy changed hands at the recent Reno show with such a magazine.

11-25-2005, 03:17 PM	#5
luger11 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 149 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Pete.....It should read............Cal. 9m/m on the mag bottom. I do not see the "cal." on this particular mag. Leo

11-25-2005, 03:35 PM	#6
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	Leo, A good point, and one I glossed over in my Kenyon reference (he does, indeed, say "Cal. 9m/m". Note who the seller is. --Dwight

11-25-2005, 05:30 PM	#7
luger11 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 149 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dwight..I rest my case. Leo

11-25-2005, 09:38 PM	#9
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts	I was checking to see which Members were awake... I thought it should read "Cal 9m/m" as well... Ed...the trouble with whiting (and now...your yellowing) is you cannot see the real nature of the stampings underneath...

11-26-2005, 01:08 AM	#11
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	I'm curious to know how the 9m/m compare to the stamping of an original. I've gone through my library and can't find a picture of one, anybody got one they can post? --Dwight

11-26-2005, 08:51 AM	#12
luger11 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 149 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dwight.........If Pete will assist me in posting a picture I will send one to him. Leo

11-26-2005, 11:20 AM	#13
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Whoa Nellie! If I am not missing something, I was under the impression that the Navy commercial originally had the "Cal 9mm" stamped on the bottom of a commercial non-concentric circled magazine! I have never seen or heard of such a stamping on a "real" concentric ringed magazine. And yes, it SHOULD have the "Cal" there. The 9mm stamping looks very sharp and fresh and with the previous caveats regarding the seller, I would look at this magazine with utmost suspicion and doubt at to its originality.

11-26-2005, 12:01 PM	#14
luger11 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 149 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	According to Mr. Kenyon on page 92 of his book LAR the wood bottom is concentric ringed. Leo

11-26-2005, 01:25 PM	#15
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	I will check with a noted authority on this subject (Mike Krause) and get back later.

11-26-2005, 07:11 PM	#16
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	You will find Cal 9MM on both type mags if you examine enough samples. Tom A

11-26-2005, 07:25 PM	#17
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Tom Armstrong is absolutely correct and Mike Krause concurs. He also said that the "9mm" without the associated "Cal" should be viewed as highly suspect.

11-26-2005, 09:52 PM	#18
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts	Doc, Do not forget we know of a fellow that sells nice "Cal 9m/m" wooden magazines from the MO area as well...(i.e. NOT Tom Heller...). I think you even have a copy of his order list... Nice, new sharp stampings in the wood should typically be the tip-off...

11-27-2005, 09:59 AM	#19
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Pete, do you mean the gentleman who fixes that million dollar chip on grips and reworks 1920 commercials to the buyer's specifications?

12-04-2005, 07:17 PM	#20
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts	Hope this e-Bay seller is not a LF member : " us2008 " He is going for it to the tune of $ 400...