Inherited family treasure - Page 2

Spanner · 11-05-2016, 07:23 AM

Marc, I have a P 38 holster. I took the pistol out of it for storage in my cabinet. I would like to begin trying to find a way to trade for the correct one just for conversation sake.

I understand peoples hesitation when I say I am going to my gunsmith with it. He may not be a P08 expert but he is an expert at what he does. I am not looking to him to evaluate the gun, just stop any further deterioration that may be occurring and to evaluate the condition of the metal parts and bore. He will also check head space and a few other things I have no idea of. I know he has repaired a few and uses Simpson LTD for one of his resources.

I think my crappy pictures have misrepresented the pistol a bit.

Firing it isn't as important to me as what it represents on a personal note. I am the same way with my collectable motorcycles. They were made to ride and ride them I will.

I look forward to learning more about this pistol and other variations although I have too many expensive hobbies as it is!

Dave

kurusu · 11-05-2016, 11:56 AM

Totally off topic but...
I would love to see pictures of your collectible motorcycles in the off topic section. I'll bet I'm not the only one.

Caferacer · 11-11-2016, 11:05 PM

I second the bike pics suggestion

Spanner · 11-12-2016, 09:44 AM

I promise to post bike pics in the near future. Also want to write up my experience with the gunsmith. Today I am represnting our local chapter of our state Surveyor's society at the Train Fest.

sheepherder · 11-12-2016, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Spanner

Today I am represnting our local chapter of our state Surveyor's society at the Train Fest.

Say what? There's a train show somewhere??? Diesel locomotives??? Coal or wood fired steam locomotives???

I like trains!

Spanner · 11-12-2016, 11:31 AM

Model RR show in West Allis, WI at State Fair Park

Caferacer · 11-12-2016, 11:43 AM

I ride out to the PA RR museum on my bike a couple times a year
and also have been collecting Lionel trains my entire life

sheepherder · 11-12-2016, 01:13 PM

I grew up in the 50's/60's. Our back yard bordered on three rail tracks; two close together, separated from the third by a long pond. There was a cherry tree on the back fence of our yard. Us kids would climb the tree and eat cherries in the Summer while the trains raced by, six feet away. We were at face level with the passenger coaches - We'd wave and grin, but of course we never saw their reactions. They'd be a hundred yards away by the time they realized three or four kids were in a tree waving at them.

The engineers of freight trains would toss us big sticks of white chalk. Nowadays you can buy them everywhere, but back then only train people had them. And happy kids.

The local grade school had bunches of 16mm short movies. Several were horror story-type films about the rail lines. Like the one with the little girl blinded by thugs throwing stones at passing train windows. Or the one with the kid walking the rails and his foot got stuck in the switch. Times were much different back then.

cirelaw · 11-12-2016, 01:24 PM

Better or worse??

ithacaartist · 11-12-2016, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

Better or worse??

Different!

Spanner · 11-17-2016, 08:49 PM

A bit of a follow-up.

Went to the gunsmith (Roger) as earlier mentioned. Roger is a wealth of information. His particular areas of absolute expertise are the Garand and the 1911. He also has a really nice collection of K98 Mausers and a few P08's among others.

We started the day by just documenting initial observations. I told him that others saw that the spring was missing from the take down lever. Funny, when you disassemble it for the first time and look at the receiver in the light, how obvious it is to see the missing pin. He pointed out right away that the bolt did not stay open with the mag in. Upon disassembly the holdopen lever thingamabob was missing.

It was great in that Roger took the time to explain the operation of the action, safety and firing pin operation. Under his direction I field stripped it and we evaluated it. Beside some surface rust at the rear of the lower receiver, it is in very nice condition and all stamped parts match except for the obvious missing hold back.

We talked about the straw coloring and how it comes to play. More so for me to understand the process.

It was his opinion that the gun was reblued and that it was his opinion that it was done in Germany, and explained the blueing process and how it was applied here in the US and over in Europe in the period that it was applied.

I showed him how the right grip tipped forward and I was uncomfortable with that. He explained the repair process and I told him I wasn't interested, which he said that he felt the same.

Based on our discussion I fired the pistol. It operated as it should and had good precision on target although we both agreed it shot high. The matching mag fed perfect and the spare mis-fed the last round. It was nice shooting as in nice like my .380 as opposed to my .45.

I think I may set it up to shoot once a year or so. I am ordering the missing pieces as well as replica grips and magazines. We didn't remove the grips as I decided to wait until we needed to take the gun apart for repairs as Roger wont take the grips off without grinding down a screwdriver specifically to fit and I didn't have all day. The grips, if matching, will be sealed in a bag.

When I got home I stripped it down and cleaned the heck out of it. It really operates smoothly now.

Knowing these things would it even matter anymore if I had it refinished or should I leave it as is? My plan is to keep it and I wonder if I should have it stripped and any deterioration stopped by chemical process? I don't plan on shooting it on a regular basis but once a year or so is not out of the question.

Opinions welcome (like asking for a kick in the sack)

And thank you I do respect your opinion

DonVoigt · 11-17-2016, 10:11 PM

I leave it as it is, it appears it was already re-finished once; another time won't make it any better.

Just OIL it, so stripping or chemical process is needed.

It does not take a special screwdriver to get the grip screws out, most any medium screwdriver will do- I doubt they are stuck.

You need to get the grips of and check for further rust; and lubricate the moving parts in the grip.

wlyon · 11-17-2016, 10:56 PM

Agree with Don. Strip it and clean/oil. If you find rust work it lightly with 0000 steel wool and oil. Bill

11-11-2016, 11:05 PM	#23
Caferacer User Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 60 Thanks: 96 Thanked 25 Times in 13 Posts	I second the bike pics suggestion __________________ Those who would trade liberty for a false sense of security deserve neither

11-12-2016, 11:43 AM	#27
Caferacer User Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 60 Thanks: 96 Thanked 25 Times in 13 Posts	I ride out to the PA RR museum on my bike a couple times a year and also have been collecting Lionel trains my entire life __________________ Those who would trade liberty for a false sense of security deserve neither

11-12-2016, 01:13 PM	#28
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,208 Thanks: 1,425 Thanked 4,474 Times in 2,343 Posts	I grew up in the 50's/60's. Our back yard bordered on three rail tracks; two close together, separated from the third by a long pond. There was a cherry tree on the back fence of our yard. Us kids would climb the tree and eat cherries in the Summer while the trains raced by, six feet away. We were at face level with the passenger coaches - We'd wave and grin, but of course we never saw their reactions. They'd be a hundred yards away by the time they realized three or four kids were in a tree waving at them. The engineers of freight trains would toss us big sticks of white chalk. Nowadays you can buy them everywhere, but back then only train people had them. And happy kids. The local grade school had bunches of 16mm short movies. Several were horror story-type films about the rail lines. Like the one with the little girl blinded by thugs throwing stones at passing train windows. Or the one with the kid walking the rails and his foot got stuck in the switch. Times were much different back then. __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

11-17-2016, 10:11 PM	#32
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,356 Times in 2,041 Posts	I leave it as it is, it appears it was already re-finished once; another time won't make it any better. Just OIL it, so stripping or chemical process is needed. It does not take a special screwdriver to get the grip screws out, most any medium screwdriver will do- I doubt they are stuck. You need to get the grips of and check for further rust; and lubricate the moving parts in the grip. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

11-17-2016, 10:56 PM	#33
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,673 Thanks: 3,243 Thanked 2,657 Times in 988 Posts	Agree with Don. Strip it and clean/oil. If you find rust work it lightly with 0000 steel wool and oil. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

11-05-2016, 07:23 AM	#21
Spanner User Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 65 Thanks: 29 Thanked 58 Times in 21 Posts	Marc, I have a P 38 holster. I took the pistol out of it for storage in my cabinet. I would like to begin trying to find a way to trade for the correct one just for conversation sake. I understand peoples hesitation when I say I am going to my gunsmith with it. He may not be a P08 expert but he is an expert at what he does. I am not looking to him to evaluate the gun, just stop any further deterioration that may be occurring and to evaluate the condition of the metal parts and bore. He will also check head space and a few other things I have no idea of. I know he has repaired a few and uses Simpson LTD for one of his resources. I think my crappy pictures have misrepresented the pistol a bit. Firing it isn't as important to me as what it represents on a personal note. I am the same way with my collectable motorcycles. They were made to ride and ride them I will. I look forward to learning more about this pistol and other variations although I have too many expensive hobbies as it is! Dave

11-05-2016, 11:56 AM	#22
kurusu User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,225 Thanks: 2,679 Thanked 930 Times in 509 Posts	Totally off topic but... I would love to see pictures of your collectible motorcycles in the off topic section. I'll bet I'm not the only one.

11-12-2016, 09:44 AM	#24
Spanner User Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 65 Thanks: 29 Thanked 58 Times in 21 Posts	I promise to post bike pics in the near future. Also want to write up my experience with the gunsmith. Today I am represnting our local chapter of our state Surveyor's society at the Train Fest.

11-12-2016, 11:31 AM	#26
Spanner User Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 65 Thanks: 29 Thanked 58 Times in 21 Posts	Model RR show in West Allis, WI at State Fair Park

11-12-2016, 01:24 PM	#29
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Better or worse??

11-17-2016, 08:49 PM	#31
Spanner User Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 65 Thanks: 29 Thanked 58 Times in 21 Posts	A bit of a follow-up. Went to the gunsmith (Roger) as earlier mentioned. Roger is a wealth of information. His particular areas of absolute expertise are the Garand and the 1911. He also has a really nice collection of K98 Mausers and a few P08's among others. We started the day by just documenting initial observations. I told him that others saw that the spring was missing from the take down lever. Funny, when you disassemble it for the first time and look at the receiver in the light, how obvious it is to see the missing pin. He pointed out right away that the bolt did not stay open with the mag in. Upon disassembly the holdopen lever thingamabob was missing. It was great in that Roger took the time to explain the operation of the action, safety and firing pin operation. Under his direction I field stripped it and we evaluated it. Beside some surface rust at the rear of the lower receiver, it is in very nice condition and all stamped parts match except for the obvious missing hold back. We talked about the straw coloring and how it comes to play. More so for me to understand the process. It was his opinion that the gun was reblued and that it was his opinion that it was done in Germany, and explained the blueing process and how it was applied here in the US and over in Europe in the period that it was applied. I showed him how the right grip tipped forward and I was uncomfortable with that. He explained the repair process and I told him I wasn't interested, which he said that he felt the same. Based on our discussion I fired the pistol. It operated as it should and had good precision on target although we both agreed it shot high. The matching mag fed perfect and the spare mis-fed the last round. It was nice shooting as in nice like my .380 as opposed to my .45. I think I may set it up to shoot once a year or so. I am ordering the missing pieces as well as replica grips and magazines. We didn't remove the grips as I decided to wait until we needed to take the gun apart for repairs as Roger wont take the grips off without grinding down a screwdriver specifically to fit and I didn't have all day. The grips, if matching, will be sealed in a bag. When I got home I stripped it down and cleaned the heck out of it. It really operates smoothly now. Knowing these things would it even matter anymore if I had it refinished or should I leave it as is? My plan is to keep it and I wonder if I should have it stripped and any deterioration stopped by chemical process? I don't plan on shooting it on a regular basis but once a year or so is not out of the question. Opinions welcome (like asking for a kick in the sack) And thank you I do respect your opinion

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