CA-State C&R Registration Form...

Pete Ebbink · 11-05-2004, 09:06 PM

For fellow CA-State C&R license holders, you might want to take note of a change that occurred November 1, 2004.

In the past when a C&R license holder buys a gun and brings it into the State, we had 5-days (from receipt) to fill out a C&R registration form along with our $ 14.00 processing fee.

As of 11-1-04, this old C&R form was abandoned and CA-State is now using a "Firearms Ownership Record" form plus a fee of $ 19.00.

No problem...fees tend to go up.

But to my surprise, take a look at the "agreement" they have you sign and declare at the bottom of the new form. I AM IN SHOCK !!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

I immediately called my local CA-DOJ Firearms Division office (in Sacramento) and was notified that the old form is no longer accepted and all C&R purchases must be registered with the new form.

You folks are lucky if you do not reside in CA-State...

If any LF members in CA have legal back-grounds, I would like to get some opinions; won't hold you to anything...

I am certainly elgible to own and buy C&R and other weapons in the state...so I am not personally worried...but there seems to be a much bigger issue at play here...

CA-State also makes me renew my Certificate of Elgibility each year (finger-prints, another fee, and back-ground check)...so why do they need such another declaration...???

The old C&R registration form :

<a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/ca_form_old.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/ca_form_old.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

The new Ownership form :

<a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/ca_form_new.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/ca_form_new.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Navy · 11-05-2004, 09:48 PM

Pete,

Although I loved the 3 months I spent in CA this year, I'd advise you to *MOVE*.

Tom A.

Edward Tinker · 11-05-2004, 10:14 PM

If you own guns and it is illegal for you to own guns, then it would be illegal for them to allow you to keep them. Legal double talk...

Ron Smith · 11-05-2004, 11:34 PM

Holy Crap, Pete! It's the Orwellian registration form. Complete with new speak. Where do they find these "Vaporlocks"? We lucked out and got rid of Vera Katz. Oregon's version of Barbara Boxer with Diane Feinstein shoved up her butt. She tried to start crap like this. And she got voted out.
She tried to pass a state law that would have made it a requirement to have a destructive devices license. To buy reloading components.
Good Luck, with this facsist crap.

Ron

Russ · 11-05-2004, 11:41 PM

Pete, Doc, and anyone else down there.

You can send all your guns up here so they will be safe.

I am sure Dwight or Ron would help me store them for you. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

Russ

Dwight Gruber · 11-05-2004, 11:49 PM

Pete, time to think about moving one state north.

I'd love to expand my role as Luger Caretaker. Looks like we may have the beginning of the Oregon Cabal

--Dwight

Ron Smith · 11-05-2004, 11:53 PM

Pete, It might be a thought. The bay area is'nt that far away. Besides, you'll meet a much better class of people up here. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Ron

Lugerdoc · 11-07-2004, 09:49 AM

Pete, You correctly identified the new form as a fund raiser. I'm surprised to learn of this form (new since I left CA) as I thought that all private and C&R transactions, were supposed to go thru a "Transfer Dealer" on his DROS forms. Contrary to what Ron says, if you were to move, you'd miss those colorful crazyies from south of Market, who would be locked up anywhere else. Tom

John Sabato · 11-07-2004, 08:51 PM

Hey Pete... I think you folks in California have a loophole to that agreement because of the way it is worded... it says you have to reliquish guns you currently own if you are no longer eligible by California standards, but it DOES NOT state that you have to relinquish them to the government of California... which to me says you can sell or give them to someone who is eligible, either in CA or outside of the state... A californian caught in this web could pack up all their guns and send them to a trusted associate with a FFL outside of the state... anyone with legal experience, please comment on this opinion.

George Anderson · 11-08-2004, 07:36 AM

I cannot understand why you folks stay in California. Look at last week's election results...go where the red is. Leave the blue places to the beautiful people, welfare recipients and criminals.

The Virginian · 03-04-2005, 11:21 AM

Thank God I am a Virginian! I feel sorry for all the Republicans/Conservatives and gun owners out there. You guys need to move to Nevada or Arizona to get away from that Gun Gestapo place.

11-05-2004, 09:06 PM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	CA-State C&R Registration Form... For fellow CA-State C&R license holders, you might want to take note of a change that occurred November 1, 2004. In the past when a C&R license holder buys a gun and brings it into the State, we had 5-days (from receipt) to fill out a C&R registration form along with our $ 14.00 processing fee. As of 11-1-04, this old C&R form was abandoned and CA-State is now using a "Firearms Ownership Record" form plus a fee of $ 19.00. No problem...fees tend to go up. But to my surprise, take a look at the "agreement" they have you sign and declare at the bottom of the new form. I AM IN SHOCK !!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> I immediately called my local CA-DOJ Firearms Division office (in Sacramento) and was notified that the old form is no longer accepted and all C&R purchases must be registered with the new form. You folks are lucky if you do not reside in CA-State... If any LF members in CA have legal back-grounds, I would like to get some opinions; won't hold you to anything... I am certainly elgible to own and buy C&R and other weapons in the state...so I am not personally worried...but there seems to be a much bigger issue at play here... CA-State also makes me renew my Certificate of Elgibility each year (finger-prints, another fee, and back-ground check)...so why do they need such another declaration...??? The old C&R registration form : <a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/ca_form_old.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/ca_form_old.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> The new Ownership form : <a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/ca_form_new.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/ca_form_new.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

11-05-2004, 10:14 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	If you own guns and it is illegal for you to own guns, then it would be illegal for them to allow you to keep them. Legal double talk... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-05-2004, 11:34 PM	#4
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Holy Crap, Pete! It's the Orwellian registration form. Complete with new speak. Where do they find these "Vaporlocks"? We lucked out and got rid of Vera Katz. Oregon's version of Barbara Boxer with Diane Feinstein shoved up her butt. She tried to start crap like this. And she got voted out. She tried to pass a state law that would have made it a requirement to have a destructive devices license. To buy reloading components. Good Luck, with this facsist crap. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

11-05-2004, 11:41 PM	#5
Russ User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Reading, PA. Posts: 628 Thanks: 2 Thanked 38 Times in 10 Posts	Pete, Doc, and anyone else down there. You can send all your guns up here so they will be safe. I am sure Dwight or Ron would help me store them for you. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> Russ __________________ Livin the dream!!!!!!!!!!!

11-05-2004, 11:53 PM	#7
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Pete, It might be a thought. The bay area is'nt that far away. Besides, you'll meet a much better class of people up here. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

11-05-2004, 09:48 PM	#2
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Pete, Although I loved the 3 months I spent in CA this year, I'd advise you to MOVE. Tom A.

11-05-2004, 11:49 PM	#6
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	Pete, time to think about moving one state north. I'd love to expand my role as Luger Caretaker. Looks like we may have the beginning of the Oregon Cabal --Dwight

11-07-2004, 09:49 AM	#8
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	Pete, You correctly identified the new form as a fund raiser. I'm surprised to learn of this form (new since I left CA) as I thought that all private and C&R transactions, were supposed to go thru a "Transfer Dealer" on his DROS forms. Contrary to what Ron says, if you were to move, you'd miss those colorful crazyies from south of Market, who would be locked up anywhere else. Tom __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

11-07-2004, 08:51 PM	#9
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Hey Pete... I think you folks in California have a loophole to that agreement because of the way it is worded... it says you have to reliquish guns you currently own if you are no longer eligible by California standards, but it DOES NOT state that you have to relinquish them to the government of California... which to me says you can sell or give them to someone who is eligible, either in CA or outside of the state... A californian caught in this web could pack up all their guns and send them to a trusted associate with a FFL outside of the state... anyone with legal experience, please comment on this opinion. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

11-08-2004, 07:36 AM	#10
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	I cannot understand why you folks stay in California. Look at last week's election results...go where the red is. Leave the blue places to the beautiful people, welfare recipients and criminals.

03-04-2005, 11:21 AM	#11
The Virginian User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Potomac Falls, Virginia USA Posts: 107 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Thank God I am a Virginian! I feel sorry for all the Republicans/Conservatives and gun owners out there. You guys need to move to Nevada or Arizona to get away from that Gun Gestapo place. __________________ All my C&R guns are shooters