Article on guns in Britain

JuergenG · 01-14-2003, 11:24 AM

Why Britain needs more guns:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2656875.stm

Edward Tinker · 01-14-2003, 11:52 AM

Very interesting! Sent the link to friends and family, also posted an American comment to the BBC <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Roadkill · 01-14-2003, 02:07 PM

The part I'm having a problem understanding is the accepted premise that a "free" person does not have the right to defend self and property from theft or harm. The removal of that basic right encourages those who remain outside the law to prey upon those who remain within. Not unsimilar to the medieval ages where only the rich and noble were allowed to bear arms, all others upon penalty of death were forbidden to do so, therefore the outlaws bore arms because they were"outside the law" and subject to penalty regardless, and everyone else were preyed upon by both armed factions. The only recourse except to pay off the outlaws or subject themselves to the rich and powerful was to arm which resulted in becoming a criminal. Either option resulted in less protection or more tyranny. So the current long term goal is to disarm the citizenry, empower the government, and embolden the criminal element resulting in more disarming of the citizenry, increasing the power of the government and embolding the criminal element resulting in more disarming of the citizenry....... ?

rk

AGE · 01-14-2003, 03:05 PM

Roadkill,

Are you talking about England or Schumer's version of the USA?

wterrell · 01-14-2003, 07:13 PM

quote:
The part I'm having a problem understanding is the accepted premise that a "free" person does not have the right to defend self and property from theft or harm.

RK,
The reasoning is that the state is the prime organism and that the individual is not significant.

Luke · 01-15-2003, 06:07 AM

The primary function of Law Enforcement is not prevention; it is cleaning up the mess AFTER the problem.

Roadkill · 01-15-2003, 04:12 PM

http://www.donrearic.com/quotes.html

Nuff said.

rk

John -Melb · 01-15-2003, 11:54 PM

In this troubled world of ours there is another issue which these gun controlling tyrants don't take into account.
Many recreational firearm owners are former soldiers who, if needed, could still give good account of themselves should their respective countries need them.
The question is, would they?
Ten years ago I would have stood on the beach and thrown rocks at any invader who threatened these shores, now I couldn't care less and I am not alone in my attitude.

01-14-2003, 11:24 AM	#1
JuergenG User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 155 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Article on guns in Britain Why Britain needs more guns: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2656875.stm

01-14-2003, 11:52 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	Very interesting! Sent the link to friends and family, also posted an American comment to the BBC <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-14-2003, 03:05 PM	#4
AGE User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 597 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Roadkill, Are you talking about England or Schumer's version of the USA? __________________ Al Eggers (AGE) NRA Life Member

01-14-2003, 07:13 PM	#5
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	quote: The part I'm having a problem understanding is the accepted premise that a "free" person does not have the right to defend self and property from theft or harm. RK, The reasoning is that the state is the prime organism and that the individual is not significant. __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

01-15-2003, 06:07 AM	#6
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 7 Posts	The primary function of Law Enforcement is not prevention; it is cleaning up the mess AFTER the problem. __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther

01-14-2003, 02:07 PM	#3
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,634 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	The part I'm having a problem understanding is the accepted premise that a "free" person does not have the right to defend self and property from theft or harm. The removal of that basic right encourages those who remain outside the law to prey upon those who remain within. Not unsimilar to the medieval ages where only the rich and noble were allowed to bear arms, all others upon penalty of death were forbidden to do so, therefore the outlaws bore arms because they were"outside the law" and subject to penalty regardless, and everyone else were preyed upon by both armed factions. The only recourse except to pay off the outlaws or subject themselves to the rich and powerful was to arm which resulted in becoming a criminal. Either option resulted in less protection or more tyranny. So the current long term goal is to disarm the citizenry, empower the government, and embolden the criminal element resulting in more disarming of the citizenry, increasing the power of the government and embolding the criminal element resulting in more disarming of the citizenry....... ? rk

01-15-2003, 04:12 PM	#7
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,634 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	http://www.donrearic.com/quotes.html Nuff said. rk

01-15-2003, 11:54 PM	#8
John -Melb User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Melbourne, Peoples Republic of Australia! Posts: 145 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	In this troubled world of ours there is another issue which these gun controlling tyrants don't take into account. Many recreational firearm owners are former soldiers who, if needed, could still give good account of themselves should their respective countries need them. The question is, would they? Ten years ago I would have stood on the beach and thrown rocks at any invader who threatened these shores, now I couldn't care less and I am not alone in my attitude.