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JuergenG 01-14-2003 11:24 AM

Article on guns in Britain
 
Why Britain needs more guns:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2656875.stm

Edward Tinker 01-14-2003 11:52 AM

Very interesting! Sent the link to friends and family, also posted an American comment to the BBC <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Roadkill 01-14-2003 02:07 PM

The part I'm having a problem understanding is the accepted premise that a "free" person does not have the right to defend self and property from theft or harm. The removal of that basic right encourages those who remain outside the law to prey upon those who remain within. Not unsimilar to the medieval ages where only the rich and noble were allowed to bear arms, all others upon penalty of death were forbidden to do so, therefore the outlaws bore arms because they were"outside the law" and subject to penalty regardless, and everyone else were preyed upon by both armed factions. The only recourse except to pay off the outlaws or subject themselves to the rich and powerful was to arm which resulted in becoming a criminal. Either option resulted in less protection or more tyranny. So the current long term goal is to disarm the citizenry, empower the government, and embolden the criminal element resulting in more disarming of the citizenry, increasing the power of the government and embolding the criminal element resulting in more disarming of the citizenry....... ?

rk

AGE 01-14-2003 03:05 PM

Roadkill,

Are you talking about England or Schumer's version of the USA?

wterrell 01-14-2003 07:13 PM

quote:
The part I'm having a problem understanding is the accepted premise that a "free" person does not have the right to defend self and property from theft or harm.

RK,
The reasoning is that the state is the prime organism and that the individual is not significant.

http://www.wterrell.com/images/german_ww1_md_clr.gif

Luke 01-15-2003 06:07 AM

The primary function of Law Enforcement is not prevention; it is cleaning up the mess AFTER the problem.

Roadkill 01-15-2003 04:12 PM

http://www.donrearic.com/quotes.html

Nuff said.

rk

John -Melb 01-15-2003 11:54 PM

In this troubled world of ours there is another issue which these gun controlling tyrants don't take into account.
Many recreational firearm owners are former soldiers who, if needed, could still give good account of themselves should their respective countries need them.
The question is, would they?
Ten years ago I would have stood on the beach and thrown rocks at any invader who threatened these shores, now I couldn't care less and I am not alone in my attitude.


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