Luger racks for a safe.....

John D. · 08-25-2004, 08:23 PM

Quick question.......

Last week I spent a few hours doing my damnedest to make some small racks for my safe. Frankly, I got sick of trying to organize what was what - so I made two racks. The problem is, my safe shelves are pretty small (hmmm - actually the safe seems to be getting smaller as my collection grows??).

Anyway - below is one of the racks I made - BUT does anyone know WHO MIGHT MAKE THESE so I can buy a few more (I need more then a few actually). The overall length can not be more then 15.5" and I'd like a single rack to hold 8 Lugers (see the second photo to give an idea of spacing). Also - a "lock-in" would be really neat (On mine - I made a piece that uses the mag to lock it down and flat, and as well - where the frame/barrel "ride" on the top piece it's routered out - to prevent the Luger flopping "side-to-side" - so it "locks in", if you see what I mean?)....

Since I'd rather buy these for a reasonable price - rather then make more - any suggestions? Anyone make these commercially??

Here is my attempt at my Luger rack......

Herb · 08-25-2004, 08:45 PM

John, got ya covered, this place makes some real nice ones, I can personally recommend them as I have bought two of them, the single and the 10 Luger stand. They are attractive and well built and the 10 Luger stand goes into my safe very nicely.
http://www.gunstands.com/pistol.htm

Great bunch of Lugers there, why so many of the same kind, you need to get a little variety in your collection. I have a mismatched DWM I'll trade you for one of those lookalikes!

Edward Tinker · 08-25-2004, 09:17 PM

Damnit John, some idiot drew anchoors on yur luggers and erased general DWM's signature!

ed

btw, nice rack you made <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

John D. · 08-25-2004, 10:06 PM

First - seriously Herb.... (Before Ed and I hi-jack my own thread!!

) My thanks for that link! I noticed they do "custom" sizes - which is exactly what I'm looking for, as the anything over 16" won't go into the shelves - and I need a total 8-10 racks....

Ed...

LOL!!!!! Yep - them luggers is just a few of my "Navy Luggers" with the anchor. I have some (not in a rack yet) that have German Feldmarschall "Deutsche Wilheim Maschall's" initials inscribed on the top. Not as fancy as my racks of Navy lugguers, but they shoot pretty well all the same... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

As for the Mouser Luggers I have - I think those are the ones G.T. and Frank were talking about in some other thread?? I think G.T. ran over a few though?? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

Edward Tinker · 08-25-2004, 10:14 PM

Very sweet guns John, can't wait to see them in real life. <img border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" title="" src="graemlins/bigok.gif" />

Ed

Dwight Gruber · 08-25-2004, 10:49 PM

John,

Can't help you with your rack question, but you have found a very clever way to show off a -really great- selection of terrific looking H-Ks!!

--Dwight

John D. · 08-25-2004, 11:21 PM

Thanks Dwight...!

Now - if Jen would only allow me to display them where I took this picture of this set/rack - I'd be happy..! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> I hope you all enjoy the flower-imprinted cover we have for a bedspread.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> When I either buy/make some more racks (thanks again Herb - and I'm still thinking about your "trade" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> ), I'll try to post a "group photo" of a few of these and a few more.

Honestly - to your point - I wish there was a safe way to put my collection on permanent display in my house - as I kind'a enjoy just looking at them, too....

My best to you - and my thanks.....

John D.

John Sabato · 08-26-2004, 12:07 PM

John D.

Frankly and unfortunately I think the only way you can "safely" display them in your house would be to make yourself a "shattuck" style screensaver program that does a slide show...

Any physical display would be asking for trouble... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

Ron Wood · 08-26-2004, 12:21 PM

My approach to being able to look at my Lugers in display cases isn't the solution for everyone. In my former house and in the new house I am building, part of the structure is a walk-in vault. The walls and ceiling are reinforced concrete and I am installing a Fort Knox vault door. The cost of building the vault is amortized over a few years by not having to insure the collection , and it is a lot more fun. The vault and a good alarm system beats having to cram the guns in a safe and not being able to enjoy them in the open.

BTW John D., nice set of repros. I am a bit envious. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Edward Tinker · 08-26-2004, 12:33 PM

I display 'em and lock them in a safe when gone for more than a day. Besides, they are in a dry basement, with three guard dogs, and four guard cats

Ed

Frank · 08-26-2004, 01:14 PM

John D.

How's come yur guns all have dem Navie Ankers? All my Mousers have nummers an leters whear yur ankers ar.

Good on ya John, nice bunch of Lugers!!

Ron, I like your idea of a concrete bunker. It would make a dandy tornado celler as well!!

Herb · 08-26-2004, 06:20 PM

John, if you want a safe way to openly display all of them move to central Utah. Most of the locals don't even bother locking thier vehicles or houses, I do though, having lived in Kalifornia for 27 years I can't get out of the habit.

Ron Wood · 08-26-2004, 07:21 PM

Herb,
I wonder if the ghost of Porter Rockwell has a hand in keeping the peace?!!

policeluger · 08-26-2004, 09:03 PM

Very good Ron, it may be lost on Herb, but I enjoyed the comment.

John D. · 08-26-2004, 10:07 PM

Hey guys...!

My thanks!!! Honestly - Ron - I'd never thought about making a walk-in safe - but then again - my house has a celler, and being built about 1890, not quite certain it could withstand the weight of a vault door - much less all the reinforced concrete

It leans a little already..!!

Frank - you make me LOL!!!!! I was going to "photoshop" a few pictures with a "Mouser" toggle - but I was laughing so hard, I never got it finished.. I owe you $1.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Herb - no wonder there is no crime in Utah. No one can FIND WHERE UTAH IS!!!...??? Hehheh!!!

Ummm - Howard/Ron??? OK who is "Porter Rockwell"? I thought both Porter and Rockwell made power tools, which Jen doesn't allow me to use anyway - fearing the destruction I do with any powered device..??!!! Oh - sometimes when she does let me use power tools - I'm not allowed to plug them in... Ever see "Tool Time"? Yea - it's sort'a like that.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

John

Pete Ebbink · 08-26-2004, 10:51 PM

Hey Ron,

Since money is no object for the Wood vault, you might want to look at a FM-200 fire suppression system...it is what is replacing Halon in the industry...

http://www.e1.greatlakes.com/fm200/jsp/index.jsp

They make small systems in the $ 3-4K price range that are ideal for valuables vaults.

While you are at it, drop in some A/C ventilation, a hi-speed Internet connection, workdesk, small refrigerator,etc. You would only need to come out for food and nature calls...
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
p.s. You might consider an inward-swing door...If the vault serves as your "shelter" in tornado events, you and yours could still swing the door in and dig yourselves out if the house came down around the vault.

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

policeluger · 08-26-2004, 11:23 PM

John D., you need to brush up on early Mormon history....once you do, you'll find Utah.

John Sabato · 08-27-2004, 10:33 AM

Porter Rockwell... at your service!

http://www.onlineutah.com/historyrockwell.shtml

Ron Wood · 08-27-2004, 11:38 AM

Hi Pete,

The vault is ducted for heating and cooling, a wireless LAN takes care of the internet connection, I have a little alcove/gathering area outside the vault for a library table/desk, book collection and refrig. I was considering an inward swinging door, but the vault is not that large and I would rather have the inside wall space for displays. Tornados are not unheard of in this part of the country, but they are very very rare. I think I will run the risk and pass on the fire suppression system.

Just outside the alcove is my workshop and garage for the '30 Model A Ford Sport Coupe. Is this a dream home or what!

Edward Tinker · 08-27-2004, 12:03 PM

Wonderful Ron, great setup!

I'd like to see pictures in a couple of months, or better yet, come down and spend a day? If okay at some point, give me an OffIciaL invite...

My good friend Steve still lives in El Paso, so two birds... <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

Ed

08-25-2004, 08:23 PM	#1
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	Luger racks for a safe..... Quick question....... Last week I spent a few hours doing my damnedest to make some small racks for my safe. Frankly, I got sick of trying to organize what was what - so I made two racks. The problem is, my safe shelves are pretty small (hmmm - actually the safe seems to be getting smaller as my collection grows??). Anyway - below is one of the racks I made - BUT does anyone know WHO MIGHT MAKE THESE so I can buy a few more (I need more then a few actually). The overall length can not be more then 15.5" and I'd like a single rack to hold 8 Lugers (see the second photo to give an idea of spacing). Also - a "lock-in" would be really neat (On mine - I made a piece that uses the mag to lock it down and flat, and as well - where the frame/barrel "ride" on the top piece it's routered out - to prevent the Luger flopping "side-to-side" - so it "locks in", if you see what I mean?).... Since I'd rather buy these for a reasonable price - rather then make more - any suggestions? Anyone make these commercially?? Here is my attempt at my Luger rack......

08-25-2004, 08:45 PM	#2
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	John, got ya covered, this place makes some real nice ones, I can personally recommend them as I have bought two of them, the single and the 10 Luger stand. They are attractive and well built and the 10 Luger stand goes into my safe very nicely. http://www.gunstands.com/pistol.htm Great bunch of Lugers there, why so many of the same kind, you need to get a little variety in your collection. I have a mismatched DWM I'll trade you for one of those lookalikes! __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

08-25-2004, 09:17 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,941 Thanks: 2,039 Thanked 4,547 Times in 2,100 Posts	Damnit John, some idiot drew anchoors on yur luggers and erased general DWM's signature! ed btw, nice rack you made <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" /> __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-25-2004, 10:14 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,941 Thanks: 2,039 Thanked 4,547 Times in 2,100 Posts	Very sweet guns John, can't wait to see them in real life. <img border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" title="" src="graemlins/bigok.gif" /> Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-26-2004, 12:07 PM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	John D. Frankly and unfortunately I think the only way you can "safely" display them in your house would be to make yourself a "shattuck" style screensaver program that does a slide show... Any physical display would be asking for trouble... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" /> __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-25-2004, 10:06 PM	#4
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	First - seriously Herb.... (Before Ed and I hi-jack my own thread!! ) My thanks for that link! I noticed they do "custom" sizes - which is exactly what I'm looking for, as the anything over 16" won't go into the shelves - and I need a total 8-10 racks.... Ed... LOL!!!!! Yep - them luggers is just a few of my "Navy Luggers" with the anchor. I have some (not in a rack yet) that have German Feldmarschall "Deutsche Wilheim Maschall's" initials inscribed on the top. Not as fancy as my racks of Navy lugguers, but they shoot pretty well all the same... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> As for the Mouser Luggers I have - I think those are the ones G.T. and Frank were talking about in some other thread?? I think G.T. ran over a few though?? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

08-25-2004, 10:49 PM	#6
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,903 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,321 Times in 432 Posts	John, Can't help you with your rack question, but you have found a very clever way to show off a -really great- selection of terrific looking H-Ks!! --Dwight

08-25-2004, 11:21 PM	#7
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	Thanks Dwight...! Now - if Jen would only allow me to display them where I took this picture of this set/rack - I'd be happy..! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> I hope you all enjoy the flower-imprinted cover we have for a bedspread.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> When I either buy/make some more racks (thanks again Herb - and I'm still thinking about your "trade" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> ), I'll try to post a "group photo" of a few of these and a few more. Honestly - to your point - I wish there was a safe way to put my collection on permanent display in my house - as I kind'a enjoy just looking at them, too.... My best to you - and my thanks..... John D.

08-26-2004, 12:21 PM	#9
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,091 Thanked 5,180 Times in 1,703 Posts	My approach to being able to look at my Lugers in display cases isn't the solution for everyone. In my former house and in the new house I am building, part of the structure is a walk-in vault. The walls and ceiling are reinforced concrete and I am installing a Fort Knox vault door. The cost of building the vault is amortized over a few years by not having to insure the collection , and it is a lot more fun. The vault and a good alarm system beats having to cram the guns in a safe and not being able to enjoy them in the open. BTW John D., nice set of repros. I am a bit envious. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

08-26-2004, 12:33 PM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,941 Thanks: 2,039 Thanked 4,547 Times in 2,100 Posts	I display 'em and lock them in a safe when gone for more than a day. Besides, they are in a dry basement, with three guard dogs, and four guard cats Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-26-2004, 01:14 PM	#11
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	John D. How's come yur guns all have dem Navie Ankers? All my Mousers have nummers an leters whear yur ankers ar. Good on ya John, nice bunch of Lugers!! Ron, I like your idea of a concrete bunker. It would make a dandy tornado celler as well!!

08-26-2004, 06:20 PM	#12
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	John, if you want a safe way to openly display all of them move to central Utah. Most of the locals don't even bother locking thier vehicles or houses, I do though, having lived in Kalifornia for 27 years I can't get out of the habit. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

08-26-2004, 07:21 PM	#13
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,091 Thanked 5,180 Times in 1,703 Posts	Herb, I wonder if the ghost of Porter Rockwell has a hand in keeping the peace?!! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

08-26-2004, 09:03 PM	#14
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Very good Ron, it may be lost on Herb, but I enjoyed the comment.

08-26-2004, 10:07 PM	#15
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	Hey guys...! My thanks!!! Honestly - Ron - I'd never thought about making a walk-in safe - but then again - my house has a celler, and being built about 1890, not quite certain it could withstand the weight of a vault door - much less all the reinforced concrete It leans a little already..!! Frank - you make me LOL!!!!! I was going to "photoshop" a few pictures with a "Mouser" toggle - but I was laughing so hard, I never got it finished.. I owe you $1.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Herb - no wonder there is no crime in Utah. No one can FIND WHERE UTAH IS!!!...??? Hehheh!!! Ummm - Howard/Ron??? OK who is "Porter Rockwell"? I thought both Porter and Rockwell made power tools, which Jen doesn't allow me to use anyway - fearing the destruction I do with any powered device..??!!! Oh - sometimes when she does let me use power tools - I'm not allowed to plug them in... Ever see "Tool Time"? Yea - it's sort'a like that.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> John

08-26-2004, 10:51 PM	#16
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hey Ron, Since money is no object for the Wood vault, you might want to look at a FM-200 fire suppression system...it is what is replacing Halon in the industry... http://www.e1.greatlakes.com/fm200/jsp/index.jsp They make small systems in the $ 3-4K price range that are ideal for valuables vaults. While you are at it, drop in some A/C ventilation, a hi-speed Internet connection, workdesk, small refrigerator,etc. You would only need to come out for food and nature calls... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> p.s. You might consider an inward-swing door...If the vault serves as your "shelter" in tornado events, you and yours could still swing the door in and dig yourselves out if the house came down around the vault. Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

08-26-2004, 11:23 PM	#17
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	John D., you need to brush up on early Mormon history....once you do, you'll find Utah.

08-27-2004, 10:33 AM	#18
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Porter Rockwell... at your service! http://www.onlineutah.com/historyrockwell.shtml __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-27-2004, 11:38 AM	#19
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,091 Thanked 5,180 Times in 1,703 Posts	Hi Pete, The vault is ducted for heating and cooling, a wireless LAN takes care of the internet connection, I have a little alcove/gathering area outside the vault for a library table/desk, book collection and refrig. I was considering an inward swinging door, but the vault is not that large and I would rather have the inside wall space for displays. Tornados are not unheard of in this part of the country, but they are very very rare. I think I will run the risk and pass on the fire suppression system. Just outside the alcove is my workshop and garage for the '30 Model A Ford Sport Coupe. Is this a dream home or what! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

08-27-2004, 12:03 PM	#20
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,941 Thanks: 2,039 Thanked 4,547 Times in 2,100 Posts	Wonderful Ron, great setup! I'd like to see pictures in a couple of months, or better yet, come down and spend a day? If okay at some point, give me an OffIciaL invite... My good friend Steve still lives in El Paso, so two birds... <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" /> Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV