Interesting Arty Rig Auction To Watch...

Pete Ebbink · 07-12-2003, 04:43 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=13965

Regards,

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Big Norm · 07-12-2003, 07:13 PM

Pete,
Interesting. I wish I could physically take a closer look at it.
Big Norm

Unregistered · 07-17-2003, 12:20 PM

Umm, okay that's WAY out of my league as far as what I'm allowed to spend (I'm married).

How about replicas? Anyone make this sort of thing as a replica?

John Sabato · 07-17-2003, 12:34 PM

Check out the For Sale Forum...

Pete Ebbink · 07-21-2003, 09:40 PM

Rig went gavel-down for $ 937.00...

Regards,

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John Sabato · 07-22-2003, 09:31 AM

I believe that the winning bidder is a forum member... but I won't mention who... I would love to know what made this particular rig so valuable...

Ron Wood · 07-22-2003, 11:00 AM

Four things come to mind that makes this rig so valuable....early date, condition, condition, condition.

mauro · 07-22-2003, 12:16 PM

Hello,
the winner is an Italian friend of mine. I don't know if he is a forum member. In any case, right now, he doesn't participate in our discussions.
You can see a lot of his beauties in my book. He gave me a lot of pictures and help.

Actually he has one of most complete collections I have ever seen.

I will meet him in August when I come back to Italy for vacation.

This guy is a big reference for me and I hope I convince him to participate in the Luger Forum discussions.

Ciao

Big Norm · 07-25-2003, 08:16 PM

I considered this rig and got some pictures of it from the seller. As Ron said, the leather was condition, condition, condition. But I passed on it. My reasons were (1) The unit stampings were inked stamped on the inside of the holster. I prefer to have it embossed on the outer rear. Ink stampings just don't hold up over time and wear. I feel that I have a better chance of personnaly authenticifying an embossed date and unit marking. Anybody can make an ink stamp. (2) Pictures that I received from the seller of the stocks proofmark were not clear enough to show that it was authentic. Finally, (3) I did not receive a picture of the serial number on the attaching iron.

At the price that authentic artillery holsters and stocks go for, I want to feel comfortible with my purchase, especially when I am dealing with a foreign seller. I'll wait until something that I am more sure of comes along.

I hope that the purchaser proves me wrong and believes that he got a bargain. A true artillary holster with all the attaching leather and an authentic stock is a good find. If so, on this purchase, then the guy got a good buy.
Big Norm

Doubs · 07-25-2003, 10:14 PM

Norm, your reservations are justifiable when dealing with unknown persons and you're unable to inspect the item yourself.

I recently engaged in an exchange of e-mails concerning a Luger and backed off when I felt that the information being offered was a little too coy. I asked for pictures and what I received were worthless for evaluation purposes. I asked about bore condition and was told that the gun shot accurately. The Luger was reportedly refinished but all markings were described as sharp so I asked how badly the sharp edges were rounded from the buffing and the reply didn't mention anything about buffing or if any corners had been rounded. At that point I replied that I was no longer interested. My questions were expicit but the answers were not, offering nothing upon which a good decision could be made.

Big Norm · 07-27-2003, 07:54 AM

Doubs,
you were right in passing. Blurred pictures, inadequate answers, glarey photos and just a plain hunch are good reasons to move on. Patience is important when developing a collection. There will always be something else coming along that will strike your fancy. Its easy to get carried away on these auctions. Its expensive to even return articles. You have little recourse if you get a bummer of a seller in a foreign land.

This guy got $937 for his rig. It may be actually a good rig. For a little more effort on his part, he may have gotten more. I really just had a hunch and passed.
Big Norm

07-12-2003, 04:43 PM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Interesting Arty Rig Auction To Watch... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=13965 Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

07-17-2003, 12:34 PM	#4
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Check out the For Sale Forum... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

07-22-2003, 09:31 AM	#6
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	I believe that the winning bidder is a forum member... but I won't mention who... I would love to know what made this particular rig so valuable... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

07-22-2003, 11:00 AM	#7
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,256 Times in 1,724 Posts	Four things come to mind that makes this rig so valuable....early date, condition, condition, condition. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-22-2003, 12:16 PM	#8
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 350 Times in 129 Posts	Hello, the winner is an Italian friend of mine. I don't know if he is a forum member. In any case, right now, he doesn't participate in our discussions. You can see a lot of his beauties in my book. He gave me a lot of pictures and help. Actually he has one of most complete collections I have ever seen. I will meet him in August when I come back to Italy for vacation. This guy is a big reference for me and I hope I convince him to participate in the Luger Forum discussions. Ciao __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

07-12-2003, 07:13 PM	#2
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Pete, Interesting. I wish I could physically take a closer look at it. Big Norm

07-17-2003, 12:20 PM	#3
Unregistered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: NM, USA Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Umm, okay that's WAY out of my league as far as what I'm allowed to spend (I'm married). How about replicas? Anyone make this sort of thing as a replica?

07-21-2003, 09:40 PM	#5
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Rig went gavel-down for $ 937.00... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

07-25-2003, 08:16 PM	#9
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	I considered this rig and got some pictures of it from the seller. As Ron said, the leather was condition, condition, condition. But I passed on it. My reasons were (1) The unit stampings were inked stamped on the inside of the holster. I prefer to have it embossed on the outer rear. Ink stampings just don't hold up over time and wear. I feel that I have a better chance of personnaly authenticifying an embossed date and unit marking. Anybody can make an ink stamp. (2) Pictures that I received from the seller of the stocks proofmark were not clear enough to show that it was authentic. Finally, (3) I did not receive a picture of the serial number on the attaching iron. At the price that authentic artillery holsters and stocks go for, I want to feel comfortible with my purchase, especially when I am dealing with a foreign seller. I'll wait until something that I am more sure of comes along. I hope that the purchaser proves me wrong and believes that he got a bargain. A true artillary holster with all the attaching leather and an authentic stock is a good find. If so, on this purchase, then the guy got a good buy. Big Norm

07-25-2003, 10:14 PM	#10
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,736 Thanks: 819 Thanked 1,769 Times in 586 Posts	Norm, your reservations are justifiable when dealing with unknown persons and you're unable to inspect the item yourself. I recently engaged in an exchange of e-mails concerning a Luger and backed off when I felt that the information being offered was a little too coy. I asked for pictures and what I received were worthless for evaluation purposes. I asked about bore condition and was told that the gun shot accurately. The Luger was reportedly refinished but all markings were described as sharp so I asked how badly the sharp edges were rounded from the buffing and the reply didn't mention anything about buffing or if any corners had been rounded. At that point I replied that I was no longer interested. My questions were expicit but the answers were not, offering nothing upon which a good decision could be made.

07-27-2003, 07:54 AM	#11
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Doubs, you were right in passing. Blurred pictures, inadequate answers, glarey photos and just a plain hunch are good reasons to move on. Patience is important when developing a collection. There will always be something else coming along that will strike your fancy. Its easy to get carried away on these auctions. Its expensive to even return articles. You have little recourse if you get a bummer of a seller in a foreign land. This guy got $937 for his rig. It may be actually a good rig. For a little more effort on his part, he may have gotten more. I really just had a hunch and passed. Big Norm