Regimental Marking , When And By Whom?

cirelaw · 05-17-2020, 11:43 AM

I own several unit marked lugers both on P08 and artillerys. Close to twenty years I have never seen the marking process explained.. Where were they applied? Factory or field? Did a particular regiment request them. When were they started and which are the rarest? Are there fakes?

gunbugs · 05-17-2020, 11:47 PM

I'll jump in and answer the last question first. Of course there are fakes. Anything that can be faked either has been, or will be faked.

cirelaw · 05-18-2020, 12:05 PM

How would you spot a fake?

hayhugh · 05-18-2020, 12:57 PM

You would know it was a fake because after doing due diligence: reading all available books on the subject and listing/reading all the knowledgeable questions and answers put to all the kind people on the "The Luger Forum" it would just be second nature...

George Anderson · 05-18-2020, 02:23 PM

I've only ever run across one faked unit marking and that one came for Minnie-sota.

cirelaw · 05-18-2020, 03:57 PM

George, All of my unit marked luger I purchased from you! That why I know are legit> In addition you supplied me with their individual unit history! None Better!

Doubs · 05-18-2020, 05:31 PM

When they left the factory, no one knew where they would go so they were marked at unit level by an armorer.

If the finish is original they will likely show a halo around the stamps as they were applied after the finish was on the gun.

cirelaw · 05-18-2020, 10:27 PM

Did regimental markings have halos?

Ron Wood · 05-18-2020, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

Did regimental markings have halos?

I think Doubs pretty well answered that question:
"If the finish is original they will likely show a halo around the stamps as they were applied after the finish was on the gun."

Here are a couple of mine.
Ron

Norme · 05-18-2020, 10:37 PM

Almost always.

cirelaw · 05-18-2020, 10:50 PM

Thank You Norm!

Neil Young · 05-19-2020, 12:16 AM

Ron, I am suffering from a severe case of lust for the G.d. pistol. Not sorry.............

Ron Wood · 05-19-2020, 02:12 AM

Niel,
I think you would make a spiffy looking Garde Grenadier in one of those tall funny looking Pope hats. I think they are called mitres...you mitre cut a dashing figure.

Ron

cirelaw · 05-19-2020, 01:03 PM

When did the emergence of halos begin ever cease or where there exceptions on some very early models? ie 1900 US Test~

JTD · 05-19-2020, 01:06 PM

Some nice pistols there Mr. Wood. Could you imagine trying to keep that on your head while on horseback? John

George Anderson · 05-20-2020, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by JTD

Some nice pistols there Mr. Wood. Could you imagine trying to keep that on your head while on horseback? John

Mitres were worn by straight legs.

DavidJayUden · 05-19-2020, 11:43 PM

Throughout history, warriors have had some odd ideas on headgear, no?
dju

JTD · 05-20-2020, 02:00 PM

Yea, thought of that after posting Geo.....

Heinz · 05-20-2020, 06:11 PM

Cirelaw. THe halo around the stamped letters is caused by the stamp being applied AFTER the surface was blued. Since regmental markings were applied after the gun had left factory and was blued, they always produce a halo becuase the disruption of the metal by the stamp stresses the oxide finish of the bluing. However, the halo can be very difficult to see and it can get very faint due to aging oxidizing the surface. Rebluing will also cover the halo. If you got it from George Anderson it is honest.
George; Washington PA produced some fake Unit Nmbers.

George Anderson · 05-20-2020, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Heinz

George; Washington PA produced some fake Unit Nmbers.

Would that have been the guy who passed away some years ago who specialized in pimping Walthers?

05-19-2020, 12:16 AM	#12
Neil Young Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Scottsboro, Alabama Posts: 552 Thanks: 567 Thanked 449 Times in 170 Posts	Ron, I am suffering from a severe case of lust for the G.d. pistol. Not sorry............. __________________ Neil The hurrier I go the behinder I get. Sometimes it takes me all day to get nothing done.

05-17-2020, 11:47 PM	#2
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 681 Thanks: 375 Thanked 1,227 Times in 414 Posts	I'll jump in and answer the last question first. Of course there are fakes. Anything that can be faked either has been, or will be faked.

05-18-2020, 12:05 PM	#3
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	How would you spot a fake?

05-18-2020, 12:57 PM	#4
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 898 Thanks: 893 Thanked 514 Times in 276 Posts	You would know it was a fake because after doing due diligence: reading all available books on the subject and listing/reading all the knowledgeable questions and answers put to all the kind people on the "The Luger Forum" it would just be second nature...

05-18-2020, 02:23 PM	#5
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	I've only ever run across one faked unit marking and that one came for Minnie-sota.

05-18-2020, 03:57 PM	#6
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	George, All of my unit marked luger I purchased from you! That why I know are legit> In addition you supplied me with their individual unit history! None Better!

05-18-2020, 05:31 PM	#7
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,742 Thanks: 826 Thanked 1,788 Times in 590 Posts	When they left the factory, no one knew where they would go so they were marked at unit level by an armorer. If the finish is original they will likely show a halo around the stamps as they were applied after the finish was on the gun.

05-18-2020, 10:27 PM	#8
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Did regimental markings have halos?

05-19-2020, 01:03 PM	#14
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	When did the emergence of halos begin ever cease or where there exceptions on some very early models? ie 1900 US Test~

05-19-2020, 01:06 PM	#15
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 428 Thanks: 218 Thanked 410 Times in 151 Posts	Some nice pistols there Mr. Wood. Could you imagine trying to keep that on your head while on horseback? John

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DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Throughout history, warriors have had some odd ideas on headgear, no? dju

05-20-2020, 02:00 PM	#18
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 428 Thanks: 218 Thanked 410 Times in 151 Posts	Yea, thought of that after posting Geo.....

05-20-2020, 06:11 PM	#19
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 411 Times in 180 Posts	Cirelaw. THe halo around the stamped letters is caused by the stamp being applied AFTER the surface was blued. Since regmental markings were applied after the gun had left factory and was blued, they always produce a halo becuase the disruption of the metal by the stamp stresses the oxide finish of the bluing. However, the halo can be very difficult to see and it can get very faint due to aging oxidizing the surface. Rebluing will also cover the halo. If you got it from George Anderson it is honest. George; Washington PA produced some fake Unit Nmbers.