help with DWM,

Niblet · 01-24-2017, 05:46 PM

hi,
a co worker had a question on this piece,,yes bad pics and I know we need a pic of the top of the luger, but what do you guys think with the pics I have?
wondering what it could be and a ball park value,,what else should I be looking for?
I have the books,,and will continue to study but time is of the essence here so I'm kindly asking,,I appreciate it!

DonVoigt · 01-24-2017, 06:21 PM

Looks like a "1920" alphabet commercial- p suffix block.

Need more pictures, 9mm or .30?

sheepherder · 01-24-2017, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DonVoigt

Looks like a "1920" alphabet commercial- p suffix block.

2984 p ...Wouldn't that be military???

Edward Tinker · 01-24-2017, 07:50 PM

words help almost as much as pictures

caliber - any other markings - condition - etc

ballpark is $700-$900 - could be more - could be less if mismatched, parts missing, etc

Niblet · 01-24-2017, 08:34 PM

Yep understood guys,,this is all I got to work with right now,,
will try to get more pics,,have not seen it in hand,,I assume its 9mm,,but I guess its something
to look for
Thanks again for any help!

DavidJayUden · 01-24-2017, 11:00 PM

Would a commercial number the rear toggle link like that or is it military?
dju

MFC · 01-25-2017, 12:52 AM

I think Don and Ed got it right...It looks like a DWM Alphabet Commercial with a C/N proof on the barrel and matching frame numbers. S# 2984p made in 1926 according to Jan Still's Weimar Lugers. It's more than likely a 30 cal. We need a few more pics to be sure.

"2984 p ...Wouldn't that be military???" It's also in the commercial range.

"Would a commercial number the rear toggle link like that or is it military?" Yes, commercials are numbered on the rear toggle link.

sheepherder · 01-25-2017, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MFC

"2984 p ...Wouldn't that be military???" It's also in the commercial range.

So a 4-digit isn't necessarily military; it could be a low-range commercial in the 'p' block of 9,999???

Commercials can have suffixes also??? (My two commercials are both 5-digit with no suffixes).

DonVoigt · 01-25-2017, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

So a 4-digit isn't necessarily military; it could be a low-range commercial in the 'p' block of 9,999???

Commercials can have suffixes also??? (My two commercials are both 5-digit with no suffixes).

Where have you been?

That is why they call them "alphabet" commercials!

Started after the Great War with "i" and went thru "z", IIRC; though many did find their way into police use. First DWM, then Mauser.

sheepherder · 01-25-2017, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DonVoigt

Where have you been?

I'm not a collector; I'm a mucker...I just muck with them...

DonVoigt · 01-25-2017, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

I'm not a collector; I'm a mucker...I just muck with them...

Or muck "raker".

ithacaartist · 01-25-2017, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

So a 4-digit isn't necessarily military; it could be a low-range commercial in the 'p' block of 9,999???

Commercials can have suffixes also??? (My two commercials are both 5-digit with no suffixes).

Rich, your commercials are early enough to have been numbered by the old commercial system, which was set aside in favor of the suffix block system of serializing, in 1921. Surviving examples with the 5-digit numbers peter out a little north of 96,000, but I don't know the significance ot those numbered above 92,000. After that, IIRC, military and commercial contracts were pulled from the same general production and configured as necessary. Look in Dwight's Commercial Data Base! http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=31901

MFC · 01-25-2017, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ithacaartist

Rich, your commercials are early enough to have been numbered by the old commercial system, which was set aside in favor of the suffix block system of serializing, in 1921. The 5-digit numbers peter out a little north of 96,000. [/url]

Commercial S#'s are continuous... 1 to 92000, then switched to military style, 2000i to ????z.

Niblet · 01-31-2017, 08:30 PM

hers a few more photos and ID on this piece is helpful,,still dont know caliber, wondering if commercial or military?

DonVoigt · 01-31-2017, 09:58 PM

Probably commercial; but need close ups of left and right sides of the chamber please.

DavidJayUden · 01-31-2017, 11:58 PM

Also show the muzzle from the business end.
dju

01-24-2017, 06:21 PM	#2
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,356 Times in 2,041 Posts	Looks like a "1920" alphabet commercial- p suffix block. Need more pictures, 9mm or .30? __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

01-24-2017, 07:50 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,974 Thanks: 2,072 Thanked 4,607 Times in 2,123 Posts	words help almost as much as pictures caliber - any other markings - condition - etc ballpark is $700-$900 - could be more - could be less if mismatched, parts missing, etc __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-25-2017, 12:52 AM	#7
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	I think Don and Ed got it right...It looks like a DWM Alphabet Commercial with a C/N proof on the barrel and matching frame numbers. S# 2984p made in 1926 according to Jan Still's Weimar Lugers. It's more than likely a 30 cal. We need a few more pics to be sure. "2984 p ...Wouldn't that be military???" It's also in the commercial range. "Would a commercial number the rear toggle link like that or is it military?" Yes, commercials are numbered on the rear toggle link. __________________ Mike C.

01-31-2017, 09:58 PM	#15
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,356 Times in 2,041 Posts	Probably commercial; but need close ups of left and right sides of the chamber please. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

01-24-2017, 08:34 PM	#5
Niblet User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Greensboro,NC Posts: 8 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yep understood guys,,this is all I got to work with right now,, will try to get more pics,,have not seen it in hand,,I assume its 9mm,,but I guess its something to look for Thanks again for any help!

01-24-2017, 11:00 PM	#6
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Would a commercial number the rear toggle link like that or is it military? dju

01-31-2017, 11:58 PM	#16
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Also show the muzzle from the business end. dju