help with DWM,
 

hi,
a co worker had a question on this piece,,yes bad pics and I know we need a pic of the top of the luger, but what do you guys think with the pics I have?
wondering what it could be and a ball park value,,what else should I be looking for?
I have the books,,and will continue to study but time is of the essence here so I'm kindly asking,,I appreciate it!

Looks like a "1920" alphabet commercial- p suffix block.

Need more pictures, 9mm or .30?

words help almost as much as pictures

caliber - any other markings - condition - etc

ballpark is $700-$900 - could be more - could be less if mismatched, parts missing, etc

Yep understood guys,,this is all I got to work with right now,,
will try to get more pics,,have not seen it in hand,,I assume its 9mm,,but I guess its something
to look for
Thanks again for any help!

2984 p ...Wouldn't that be military???

Would a commercial number the rear toggle link like that or is it military?
dju

I think Don and Ed got it right...It looks like a DWM Alphabet Commercial with a C/N proof on the barrel and matching frame numbers. S# 2984p made in 1926 according to Jan Still's Weimar Lugers. It's more than likely a 30 cal. We need a few more pics to be sure.

"2984 p ...Wouldn't that be military???" It's also in the commercial range.

"Would a commercial number the rear toggle link like that or is it military?" Yes, commercials are numbered on the rear toggle link.

So a 4-digit isn't necessarily military; it could be a low-range commercial in the 'p' block of 9,999???

Commercials can have suffixes also??? (My two commercials are both 5-digit with no suffixes).

Where have you been?:eek:

That is why they call them "alphabet" commercials!:rolleyes:

Started after the Great War with "i" and went thru "z", IIRC; though many did find their way into police use. First DWM, then Mauser.

I'm not a collector; I'm a mucker...I just muck with them... :p

Or muck "raker".:evilgrin:

Rich, your commercials are early enough to have been numbered by the old commercial system, which was set aside in favor of the suffix block system of serializing, in 1921. Surviving examples with the 5-digit numbers peter out a little north of 96,000, but I don't know the significance ot those numbered above 92,000. After that, IIRC, military and commercial contracts were pulled from the same general production and configured as necessary. Look in Dwight's Commercial Data Base! http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=31901

Commercial S#'s are continuous... 1 to 92000, then switched to military style, 2000i to ????z.

Some more photos
 

hers a few more photos and ID on this piece is helpful,,still dont know caliber, wondering if commercial or military?

Probably commercial; but need close ups of left and right sides of the chamber please.

Also show the muzzle from the business end.
dju