Carbine by Lugerman

[Edward Tinker]

Ok, I don't have it yet, but hoping it is getting to the end

My process started in March 2013 and he was upfront and told me it would likely be 10-12 months (at least). As each month goes by I get more excited.

So, heres the story, I have read almost everything on Lugerman, AKA Eugene, I know he can be slow, but I have talked to him on phone and email and know he tries his best. In fact, most of the restore experts take a long time, as it takes time to strip, sand properly, then fix and reblue items. Literally months if they were only working on these items. And most of the experts I know don't do this for a living but as a hobby.

I started out discussing what kind of carbine I wanted. Did I want to use a DWM frame and be traditional?
Did I want to use a Simson frame and do it that way (my main choice, but to recreate all the eagle 6's correctly would be excessive IMO)
So, I had a G date, almost the very beginning of Mauser, so pre-war. I used cash and many trade parts for the carbine, plus supplying some of the components. I supplied a mix master G date (which I found out later was really parts of all ages ), supplied on purpose two fairly uncommon but beautiful Chrome plated Schmeisser flat button magazines (police) and two new blank bottoms of aluminum. Eugene usually uses wood, but he said he would make me a fantasy G date carbine in 9mm.

Since I am about 35 miles from where he lives, I plan on bugging him in person and seeing how things are

As a long standing member of the LugerForum, and a moderator there, I am very enthusiastic about Eugene's excellent work in re-creating some of the most iconic pistols of the 20th century...

[sheepherder]

OK, cool!!! I was hoping you would open a thread and detail some of the steps Eugene is taking in making this carbine!!!

I grabbed a couple of his carbine pics, and frankly I'm ignorant about Luger carbines and Lugers in general.

Now, for the questions...What is the difference between these two...





I can see that one has a barrel mounted 4-position carbine rear sight, and the other has a 2-position (?) toggle mounted rear sight...

Did Eugene really use a Navy to make a carbine??? Or is that a toggle he made himself???

Are the shoulder stocks all the same???

They both have 16"+ barrels...Are they legally classed as rifles???

I am excited to see your carbine as it happens!!! Step by step!!! Maybe you could take pics at every major milestone!!!

[Edward Tinker]

My big questions were;

1. Is it test fired and works well - answer yes
2. How many parts are original - answer as many as possible, those he can't get, he makes it !

I assume that includes many parts

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

Since I am about 35 miles from where he lives, I plan on bugging him in person and seeing how things are

... ...I would be over there every week taking pictures!!!

Edit: I know there is a lug on the front of the frame, silver soldered...But is it also dovetailed into the frame, or inletted, or located/fastened by some other method??? Silver solder/brazing doesn't seem like a very substantial means of anchoring that long handguard & lug...

[LugerMan.com]

The navy toggle on the second carbine is from a European maker, I did not make that one. But times have changed ;0)


Hook is attached by silver alloy and is the way the original carbines have been done, George Luger trusted silver , who am I to question that ;0)


I will start posting pictures of the process to help an excitement build up even more ;0)

Thanks for the attention

[Edward Tinker]

Originally Posted by LugerMan.com

...

I will start posting pictures of the process to help an excitement build up even more ;0)

well you know I am anxious

I think many folks don't realize all the steps involved, and I poorly stated so above.

The question Rich wants to know is when MY carbine will be done

[LugerMan.com]

Here is a parts set that will go in to making a carbine.

If you have any questions on what's what let me know.

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by LugerMan.com

If you have any questions on what's what let me know.

Yes, I have a question...What happened to Ed Tinker's carbine???

[Edward Tinker]

Originally Posted by sheepherder

Yes, I have a question...What happened to Ed Tinker's carbine???

Well I asked him, fairly abruptly, as I am a bit impatient nowadays. I am 54, I could die any day

He sent me these stock pictures, but I could have sworn it already had a stock...

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by LugerMan.com

Hook is attached by silver alloy and is the way the original carbines have been done, George Luger trusted silver , who am I to question that ;0)

Actually the forearm lug was attached by a screw prior to silver brazing. Sturgess & Gortz have a nice X-ray pic of the frame showing the screw on a carbine compared to a 'regular' frame (pic below).

I had noticed a ground-off screw in the pic of Eric's carbine also (other pic).

I hope this doesn't mean you'll have to start all over...

[cirelaw]

I wondered is there any state of federal laws governing the production or transportation of Eugenes ' carbines? ~~Eric

[Edward Tinker]

they have a 16 inch barrel so not a true luger carbine (which is the way they have to be made for us)

[LugerMan.com]

Front sight silver soldered in

Rear sight silver soldered in

Barrel installed

[LugerMan.com]

Rear stock iron fitted to the frame

Rear stock iron fitted to rear stock

[sheepherder]

Excellent!!!

I love watching a piece of art evolve!!!

Interesting that the rear sight base on this carbine is of the 'split' type...

I don't recognize the wood, but it reminds me of a story I heard at the last gun club meeting...There is a small Amish community nearby, and they offered to clear some local land of trees...The trees were 'black walnut'...An Amish work crew spent a weekend felling and cutting up the trees and hauling the wood away...We assume they plan on making furniture from the lumber...

[Edward Tinker]

yikes, I recognize that gun - cool

Eugene you keep adding and I'll make a sticky (unless I am too prejudiced, then folks just tell me).

Rich, lots of guys who fell trees or cut up the ones from storms harvest the wood, I am ok with that. We have tree cutters coming out this monday for my neighbors and some of our big branches, I am tempted to ask the logs be cut into reasonable pieces and I would finish up the rest for next years firewood (no oak or the like)

[sheepherder]

I would like to see this a 'sticky', covering the evolution of this particular Luger into a carbine. Fascinating stuff!

I meant no criticism of the harvesting of lumber - If I could, I would encourage it. The trees were only going to be bulldozed for a mobile home development. Better that they go to artisans who appreciate the raw materials that their works are made from...

[Olle]

Originally Posted by postino

I would like to see this a 'sticky', covering the evolution of this particular Luger into a carbine. Fascinating stuff!

Absolutely! It would be great if Eugene could cover the process in step-by-step pictures, I'm sure that it would make a lot of people understand and appreciate all the tedious work that goes into a project like this.

[alvin]

For customization build, it will be very interesting to build a Luger or Mauser carbine to shoot .30 Carbine cartridge... to see how it performs. Probably can match M1 Carbine's performance, @ more compact size.

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by alvin

For customization build, it will be very interesting to build a Luger or Mauser carbine to shoot .30 Carbine cartridge...

...Uh...What???...

You do realize that the 30 Carbine cartridge is over a half-inch longer than the 9mm Parabellum cartridge...Eugene would have to cut & piece together two frames, somehow stretch the breechblock, fabricate a special widened magazine...

...And stop work on Ed's carbine...