Shot Gun for Enfield No 2

ripcord810 · 07-29-2012, 07:51 PM

Came across a guy looking to trade this Enfield NO 2 .32 for a double barrel shot gun. I had a Springfield side by side 16 ga (pre model 5100) I've had for many years sitting in the gun cabinet. I had to kick in $100 to make the deal but think it was worth it. I know nothing about this old pistol other than all the numbers match on the cylinder, frame, barrel, and it is very tight. I am more of a ww2 collector and thinking of trying to trade it for a P38? Any thoughts?

alanint · 07-29-2012, 08:37 PM

Your gun is interesting but I don't believe it ever left the factory with that super short barrel. It has been altered so would have no real interest to a collector.

rolandtg · 07-29-2012, 08:46 PM

Interesting.
here's an article that discusses the "snub nose" Enfield.
http://www.nrvoutdoors.com/ENFIELD%2...ELD%20SNUB.htm

sheepherder · 07-29-2012, 09:02 PM

Day-em!!! That is a short cylinder!!!

The cartridge must be as wide as it is long!!!

But a very cool snub-nose!

(Looks like something I would have thought up...hmmmm...)

I'll have to keep a lookout for one of those...

Dave, can you show a side view of the complete revolver??? My monitor is cutting off the grip in the pics...

Edit: Well! There's one on GB right now, and a factory refurb at that...

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=298359947

Have to check that in 3 days and see what it goes for...but I like Dave's better...

alanint · 07-29-2012, 09:21 PM

The .38 S&W is a fairly anemic load, but believed effective in Europe at that time.

sheepherder · 07-30-2012, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by alanint

The .38 S&W is a fairly anemic load, but believed effective in Europe at that time.

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Originally Posted by alanint

Not in .38 S&W it would'nt, unless you merely want to annoy your assailant..

Doug, you are so *down* on this cartridge!!!

Pic below is a 38 S&W from my cartridge collection, compared to a 9mm Parabellum...

My 1970 Lyman 45th Edition Reloading Handbook lists 38 S&W loads of 121 gr cast bullet w/5.0 gr Unique and 133 grain cast bullet w/4.8 gr Unique as both developing over 1000 fps...that's pretty close to 9mm military loading (back then)...

* (Only recommended for solid frame revolvers)

rhuff · 07-30-2012, 05:15 PM

Thank you for posting your new snubby! I have never seen one of those before, and find it most interesting, to say the least. I had an old box of English 380/200 ammo for many years, but a friend told me that he had his father's revolver (breaktop) in that caliber, so I made them a present to him. I don't know if he ever shot the revolver or not. Do you plan to ever shoot your revolver?

sheepherder · 07-30-2012, 05:26 PM

I was browsing Midway and noticed that they have several brands of 38 S&W...From some of the comments, it seems to be popular for Cowboy Action Shooters...Remington has some that looks fairly mild...

Technical Information
Caliber: 38 S&W
Bullet Weight: 146 Grain
Bullet Style: Lead Round Nose
Case Type: Brass

Ballistics Information:
Muzzle Velocity: 685 fps
Muzzle Energy: 150 ft. lbs.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/877...nose-box-of-50

Patronen · 07-30-2012, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by postino

I was browsing Midway and noticed that they have several brands of 38 S&W...From some of the comments, it seems to be popular for Cowboy Action Shooters...Remington has some that looks fairly mild...

Technical Information
Caliber: 38 S&W
Bullet Weight: 146 Grain
Bullet Style: Lead Round Nose
Case Type: Brass

Ballistics Information:
Muzzle Velocity: 685 fps
Muzzle Energy: 150 ft. lbs.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/877...nose-box-of-50

There's a Ten X 150gr. flat point bullet that looks interesting, too bad it's only at 600fps. If it wasn't for the liabilty thing that bullet with more power behind it wouldn't be too bad of a loading.

alanint · 07-30-2012, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by postino

Doug, you are so *down* on this cartridge!!!

Pic below is a 38 S&W from my cartridge collection, compared to a 9mm Parabellum...

My 1970 Lyman 45th Edition Reloading Handbook lists 38 S&W loads of 121 gr cast bullet w/5.0 gr Unique and 133 grain cast bullet w/4.8 gr Unique as both developing over 1000 fps...that's pretty close to 9mm military loading (back then)...

* (Only recommended for solid frame revolvers)

Its more about the lack of loadings than the actual power. There are no really decent defense loads available for the .38 S&W. and I would not want to carry handloads due to liability.

sheepherder · 07-30-2012, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by alanint

Its more about the lack of loadings than the actual power. There are no really decent defense loads available for the .38 S&W...

Probably due to the large number of top-break revolvers which are old and not 'robust' enough to handle hot loads...

padredan · 07-30-2012, 07:08 PM

The one i own seems to be able to take out any threat you may encounter from any zombie televisions. Beyond that who knows, actualy a very pleasant round.

ripcord810 · 07-29-2012, 09:37 PM

I'll be interested in seeing what that one sells for.. With an estimate of less than 500 of them maybe I should hang on to it

sheepherder · 07-29-2012, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ripcord810

I'll be interested in seeing what that one sells for.. With an estimate of less than 500 of them maybe I should hang on to it

...But they're dealer/importer conversions...Not factory issued...

I'd be surprised if the one on GB hits $500...

sheepherder · 07-30-2012, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ripcord810

I'll be interested in seeing what that one sells for...

I asked the mates at Surplusrifles/Enfield what the markings meant on that GB snubbie...

sheepherder · 07-30-2012, 08:49 AM

Looking at your pics, Dave, your No 2 has the E in a D I ** but is not an FTR...It does have the British export firing proofs (the 3.7 Tons, .707" ? , .38, and a stylized "S" I think)...The ESC 320 is vaguely familiar...but I don't recall what it means...

(Heh...I like the itty bitty screw in the front sight blade)...

Occasionally you see these with a brass [sometimes steel] disc in the right grip panel...With or without markings...they were for unit identification...Unit designations stamped into the disc...Sometimes if you have a blank disc, it has been turned over to hide the unit markings...or completely removed to prevent your unit being known...Most times just a blank disc, as the FTR re-issues would be...

(Pic of a disc on the FTR'd GB No 2 below)

(It has the rounded front sight blade)

Dave, you have a cool little revolver...

sheepherder · 08-03-2012, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ripcord810

I'll be interested in seeing what that one sells for...

Sort of disappointing...

This item has been Sold!

Lee Enfield No. 2 38 S&W Revolver 2" Barrel

Show description

Current Bid $225.00 No Reserve!
Started at $225.00
Quantity 1 # of bids 1
Time left Listing has Ended

ripcord810 · 07-29-2012, 09:47 PM

well I have just under $300 in this one and I agree it looks better than that one. Don't think I did to bad.

sheepherder · 07-29-2012, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ripcord810

well I have just under $300 in this one and I agree it looks better than that one. Don't think I did to bad.

I think you did good, too...but it's hard to tell with only half a grip...

Patronen · 07-30-2012, 08:13 AM

Make that front sight snag proof, it wouldn't be a bad carry gun.

07-29-2012, 07:51 PM	#1
ripcord810 User Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 139 Thanks: 146 Thanked 23 Times in 16 Posts	Shot Gun for Enfield No 2 Came across a guy looking to trade this Enfield NO 2 .32 for a double barrel shot gun. I had a Springfield side by side 16 ga (pre model 5100) I've had for many years sitting in the gun cabinet. I had to kick in $100 to make the deal but think it was worth it. I know nothing about this old pistol other than all the numbers match on the cylinder, frame, barrel, and it is very tight. I am more of a ww2 collector and thinking of trying to trade it for a P38? Any thoughts? Attached Thumbnails

07-29-2012, 09:02 PM	#4
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,197 Thanks: 1,416 Thanked 4,462 Times in 2,336 Posts	Day-em!!! That is a short cylinder!!! The cartridge must be as wide as it is long!!! But a very cool snub-nose! (Looks like something I would have thought up...hmmmm...) I'll have to keep a lookout for one of those... Dave, can you show a side view of the complete revolver??? My monitor is cutting off the grip in the pics... Edit: Well! There's one on GB right now, and a factory refurb at that... http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=298359947 Have to check that in 3 days and see what it goes for...but I like Dave's better... __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

07-30-2012, 05:26 PM	#8
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,197 Thanks: 1,416 Thanked 4,462 Times in 2,336 Posts	I was browsing Midway and noticed that they have several brands of 38 S&W...From some of the comments, it seems to be popular for Cowboy Action Shooters...Remington has some that looks fairly mild... Technical Information Caliber: 38 S&W Bullet Weight: 146 Grain Bullet Style: Lead Round Nose Case Type: Brass Ballistics Information: Muzzle Velocity: 685 fps Muzzle Energy: 150 ft. lbs. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/877...nose-box-of-50 __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

07-30-2012, 07:08 PM	#12
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	The one i own seems to be able to take out any threat you may encounter from any zombie televisions. Beyond that who knows, actualy a very pleasant round. Attached Thumbnails __________________ In this world nothing is free, except the grace of God

07-30-2012, 08:49 AM	#16
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,197 Thanks: 1,416 Thanked 4,462 Times in 2,336 Posts	Looking at your pics, Dave, your No 2 has the E in a D I ** but is not an FTR...It does have the British export firing proofs (the 3.7 Tons, .707" ? , .38, and a stylized "S" I think)...The ESC 320 is vaguely familiar...but I don't recall what it means... (Heh...I like the itty bitty screw in the front sight blade)... Occasionally you see these with a brass [sometimes steel] disc in the right grip panel...With or without markings...they were for unit identification...Unit designations stamped into the disc...Sometimes if you have a blank disc, it has been turned over to hide the unit markings...or completely removed to prevent your unit being known...Most times just a blank disc, as the FTR re-issues would be... (Pic of a disc on the FTR'd GB No 2 below) (It has the rounded front sight blade) Dave, you have a cool little revolver... Attached Thumbnails __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

07-29-2012, 08:37 PM	#2
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Your gun is interesting but I don't believe it ever left the factory with that super short barrel. It has been altered so would have no real interest to a collector.

07-29-2012, 08:46 PM	#3
rolandtg User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 479 Thanks: 389 Thanked 265 Times in 114 Posts	Interesting. here's an article that discusses the "snub nose" Enfield. http://www.nrvoutdoors.com/ENFIELD%2...ELD%20SNUB.htm

07-29-2012, 09:21 PM	#5
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	The .38 S&W is a fairly anemic load, but believed effective in Europe at that time.

07-30-2012, 05:15 PM	#7
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,308 Thanks: 2,737 Thanked 993 Times in 729 Posts	Thank you for posting your new snubby! I have never seen one of those before, and find it most interesting, to say the least. I had an old box of English 380/200 ammo for many years, but a friend told me that he had his father's revolver (breaktop) in that caliber, so I made them a present to him. I don't know if he ever shot the revolver or not. Do you plan to ever shoot your revolver?

07-29-2012, 09:37 PM	#13
ripcord810 User Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 139 Thanks: 146 Thanked 23 Times in 16 Posts	I'll be interested in seeing what that one sells for.. With an estimate of less than 500 of them maybe I should hang on to it

07-29-2012, 09:47 PM	#18
ripcord810 User Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 139 Thanks: 146 Thanked 23 Times in 16 Posts	well I have just under $300 in this one and I agree it looks better than that one. Don't think I did to bad.

07-30-2012, 08:13 AM	#20
Patronen User Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 312 Thanks: 335 Thanked 93 Times in 70 Posts	Make that front sight snag proof, it wouldn't be a bad carry gun. __________________ Dave