1941 Mauser(Byf) Luger P08*War trophy*

maximis026986 · 09-16-2011, 01:27 AM

The grips is the symbol is that of the U.S. Seventh Army, which was in the European theater. Stock lug was ground off because the firearms act back in the 1950s im guessing. The maker of the holster, it is Karl Barth, located in the city of Waldbrohl, Germany. (Thanks to research by Danny of the firearmforums)
Can anyone give me a value for insurance? an Sale?

maximis026986 · 09-16-2011, 01:27 AM

more pics

Edward Tinker · 09-16-2011, 08:23 AM

Nice, a nice but sad gun because of the stock lug.

This is a luger made in 1941 (41) with code name of byf (Mauser).

The grips help for a collector who likes this kind of thing, but to the average collector, that is a detractor and then the ground stock lug knocks it down to shooter status to many folks.

So, lets go low and high values (say I was buying it for my table and you were selling it)

2 matching mags, wow, they look real

ok, low value, gun $550, 2 matching mags, add $300, holster (if not cut down or other modifications) $150, tool $40 = $1040

high value, you push the 2 matching mags, unusual / rarer for a army, so $800, 2 mags, add $300, $200 for WW2 holster, tool and ammo, another $75 (if tool is marked, say eagle 655 or eagle 63 add $25) = $1375

Insurance $1500-$1600

If the stock lug had not been ground you could double the price, but having it fixed would not make it collectable, per-se, and would cost probably around $500 to do...

my 2 cents

And, is this a family gun? If any family member is known, I would be interested for my vol III

Ed

DavidJayUden · 09-16-2011, 08:28 AM

Are the grips ivory?
A unique item to be sure. It's a shame about that stock lug.
Let's see what the advanced colllectors have to say on this one.
dju

maximis026986 · 09-16-2011, 11:25 AM

This was a luger passed to me from my grandma's friend. Her husband was in WW2 im positive of it, I knew him when I was a kid. He died a few years back and she had no one to give it to. When I got out of the military she gave it to me as a present. Thanks for the info guys! I also have a artillery luger I just posted in the forums, you should have a look at that too. That was passed to me by my grandfather, but I know it has some issues.

maximis026986 · 09-16-2011, 11:29 AM

I do not know if the grips are ivory

spartacus38 · 09-16-2011, 11:56 AM

I think Ed is right on with his estimate of value,too bad about the stock lug.
Bob

MikeP · 09-16-2011, 02:16 PM

Never know what will still pop up.
I remember some thinking that had to grind the lug.

Interestig piece.
Good assessment.

maximis026986 · 09-24-2011, 08:32 PM

thanks everyone for the help!

Bluff Lake 36 · 09-24-2011, 08:57 PM

P.M. Sent

maximis026986 · 09-25-2011, 09:26 PM

Bluff I sent you an email

maximis026986 · 01-22-2013, 03:18 AM

Any other opinions on value?

MikeP · 01-22-2013, 07:42 AM

The issue is the lug .
Never was a law,but some believed it.
2 matched mags is really rare .
If ivory the grips have value .
You have a unique piece with a major flaw.
Money is tight.
I think a fair assessment has been made .

ithacaartist · 01-22-2013, 10:18 AM

A quick, easy way to ascertain if a grip is ivory: Heat a pin or needle tip red hot. Poke the grip with the hot tip, in an out-of-the-way place where the tiny mark will not be an issue. If the grip material melts, it's plastic or Franzite, or maybe even urethane. If it does not melt, and perhaps smells like burning hair, it's the real deal--ivory.

John Sabato · 01-22-2013, 12:47 PM

Looks like Ivory grips to me... and very well fitted too.

lugerholsterrepair · 01-22-2013, 12:58 PM

NOT ivory IMO. Elephant ivory has grain and shows up more over the years. These show NO grain whatever, Guranteed they are not ivory.

09-16-2011, 01:27 AM	#1
maximis026986 User Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 17 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1941 Mauser(Byf) Luger P08War trophy The grips is the symbol is that of the U.S. Seventh Army, which was in the European theater. Stock lug was ground off because the firearms act back in the 1950s im guessing. The maker of the holster, it is Karl Barth, located in the city of Waldbrohl, Germany. (Thanks to research by Danny of the firearmforums) Can anyone give me a value for insurance? an Sale? Attached Thumbnails

09-16-2011, 01:27 AM	#2
maximis026986 User Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 17 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	more pics more pics Attached Thumbnails

09-16-2011, 08:23 AM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,927 Thanks: 2,026 Thanked 4,525 Times in 2,090 Posts	Nice, a nice but sad gun because of the stock lug. This is a luger made in 1941 (41) with code name of byf (Mauser). The grips help for a collector who likes this kind of thing, but to the average collector, that is a detractor and then the ground stock lug knocks it down to shooter status to many folks. So, lets go low and high values (say I was buying it for my table and you were selling it) 2 matching mags, wow, they look real ok, low value, gun $550, 2 matching mags, add $300, holster (if not cut down or other modifications) $150, tool $40 = $1040 high value, you push the 2 matching mags, unusual / rarer for a army, so $800, 2 mags, add $300, $200 for WW2 holster, tool and ammo, another $75 (if tool is marked, say eagle 655 or eagle 63 add $25) = $1375 Insurance $1500-$1600 If the stock lug had not been ground you could double the price, but having it fixed would not make it collectable, per-se, and would cost probably around $500 to do... my 2 cents And, is this a family gun? If any family member is known, I would be interested for my vol III Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-16-2011, 11:25 AM	#5
maximis026986 User Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 17 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	response This was a luger passed to me from my grandma's friend. Her husband was in WW2 im positive of it, I knew him when I was a kid. He died a few years back and she had no one to give it to. When I got out of the military she gave it to me as a present. Thanks for the info guys! I also have a artillery luger I just posted in the forums, you should have a look at that too. That was passed to me by my grandfather, but I know it has some issues.

09-24-2011, 08:57 PM	#10
Bluff Lake 36 User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Northern Wisconsin Posts: 205 Thanks: 0 Thanked 79 Times in 39 Posts	Luger P.M. Sent

09-16-2011, 08:28 AM	#4
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Are the grips ivory? A unique item to be sure. It's a shame about that stock lug. Let's see what the advanced colllectors have to say on this one. dju

09-16-2011, 11:29 AM	#6
maximis026986 User Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 17 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I do not know if the grips are ivory

09-16-2011, 11:56 AM	#7
spartacus38 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Lake Tahoe,CA. Posts: 695 Thanks: 0 Thanked 70 Times in 56 Posts	I think Ed is right on with his estimate of value,too bad about the stock lug. Bob

09-16-2011, 02:16 PM	#8
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	Never know what will still pop up. I remember some thinking that had to grind the lug. Interestig piece. Good assessment.

09-24-2011, 08:32 PM	#9
maximis026986 User Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 17 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thanks everyone for the help!

09-25-2011, 09:26 PM	#11
maximis026986 User Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 17 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Bluff I sent you an email

01-22-2013, 03:18 AM	#12
maximis026986 User Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 17 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Any other opinions on value?

01-22-2013, 07:42 AM	#13
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	The issue is the lug . Never was a law,but some believed it. 2 matched mags is really rare . If ivory the grips have value . You have a unique piece with a major flaw. Money is tight. I think a fair assessment has been made .

01-22-2013, 10:18 AM	#14
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,335 Thanks: 7,242 Thanked 2,555 Times in 1,360 Posts	Testing for Ivory A quick, easy way to ascertain if a grip is ivory: Heat a pin or needle tip red hot. Poke the grip with the hot tip, in an out-of-the-way place where the tiny mark will not be an issue. If the grip material melts, it's plastic or Franzite, or maybe even urethane. If it does not melt, and perhaps smells like burning hair, it's the real deal--ivory. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

01-22-2013, 12:47 PM	#15
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Looks like Ivory grips to me... and very well fitted too. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

01-22-2013, 12:58 PM	#16
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,771 Thanks: 4,922 Thanked 3,123 Times in 1,434 Posts	NOT ivory IMO. Elephant ivory has grain and shows up more over the years. These show NO grain whatever, Guranteed they are not ivory. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."