DWM commercial 30 cal.

lzcypress · 09-11-2010, 10:12 PM

Did DWM make commercial lugers with engraving?
I have been thinking of purchasing this luger, mis-matched #'s, 4 3/4" barrel ser# 86996. Any information would be helpful.

alanint · 09-11-2010, 11:01 PM

No, and that is not the original back sight, either. This gun has been modified to someone's taste and would not interest a collector.

It may, however, make a great shooter with a nice touch of engraving if the price is right.

Edward Tinker · 09-11-2010, 11:03 PM

How much engraving? Looks ok so far as Alan suggested?

Can we see right and left?

ed

alanint · 09-12-2010, 07:42 AM

Are the grips genuine ivory or some synthetic? That would also influence the price.

It's odd that someone would lavish this much attention on a mismatched gun.

lzcypress · 09-12-2010, 08:58 AM

Ivory grips

lzcypress · 09-12-2010, 09:04 AM

another picture

lzcypress · 09-12-2010, 09:06 AM

another picture

lzcypress · 09-12-2010, 09:11 AM

a different picture

lzcypress · 09-12-2010, 08:02 AM

The seller says, ivory grips, but he has the original grips. This was given to him by his father in law. A gunsmith told him that it was a 1921 commercial luger. I have more pictures, but I don't know how to reduce the size. I will be glad to send them. e-mail me and I will foward pictures. zylicz3@sbcglobal.net
Thanks for the imput. Larry

DavidJayUden · 09-12-2010, 09:12 AM

4 3/4" barrel?

sheepherder · 09-12-2010, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

4 3/4" barrel?

lzcypress - a full left side view would be helpful...

DavidJayUden · 09-12-2010, 09:59 AM

What is he wanting for it?
The rear sight is pretty cheesy and it has no collector value, but nevertheless it does have a bit of charm.
The question is how much is charm worth to you?
I'd say $500 to $600 is OK, $800 or more walk away from it never looking back.
But remember that .30 is pricey to shoot so you are buying a charming paper weight.
dju

Mauser720 · 09-12-2010, 01:38 PM

postino -

Did you notice someone has put a flip-up rear peep sight in front of the rear sight too? (looks a little crudely made IMHO)

I could be wrong, but I do not think those are genuine ivory grips. Anyone disagree?

sheepherder · 09-12-2010, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mauser720

postino -

Did you notice someone has put a flip-up rear peep sight in front of the rear sight too? (looks a little crudely made IMHO)

Spring-loaded, too...looks kinda floppy...and there seems to be a pin sticking out from the OEM rear sight...if it is the OEM rear sight...It would be helpful to know how it was fastened to the toggle...

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I could be wrong, but I do not think those are genuine ivory grips. Anyone disagree?

I've had the imitation ivory grips that Melvin Tyler used to distribute (still have a set); they age to yellow after a few years...they also show the laminations...

I think you guys are being generous with your value estimates...It has always been my opinion that engraving is used to hide defects...This engraving looks like someone learning the craft, or maybe toying with mechanized engraving...Awful lot of engraved lines on the sideplate...

I would like to see a side view, especially to gauge whether the barrel is 4" (measured from outside) or 4 3/4" (measured to breech face)...

lzcypress · 09-12-2010, 03:19 PM

I was incorrect about the barrel length. It is a 6" barrel. The seller says that they are ivory grips. He will be fowarding me pictures of both sides.

lzcypress · 09-12-2010, 04:26 PM

right side

lzcypress · 09-12-2010, 04:27 PM

left side

sheepherder · 09-12-2010, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by lzcypress

I was incorrect about the barrel length. It is a 6" barrel.

In that case, I would think that $600+ might be realistic...You might be able to sell it to an engraving/ivory fan for more, but it might be a while...I think I would agree with DJU that $800 is not worth it...For a shooter...

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The seller says that they are ivory grips. He will be fowarding me pictures of both sides.

IIRC, you can tell if it is real ivory with a red-hot needle...but it's not a popular test...

lugerholsterrepair · 09-12-2010, 07:03 PM

you can tell if it is real ivory with a red-hot needle...but it's not a popular test... You heat the needle to red hot and touch the underside of the grip in an out of the way place. If it smells like burning hair, it is genuine ivory. If it smells like plastic...that's what it is. The hot needle will not plunge in if it's ivory but if it's plastic be careful, it could penetrate the other side. I just touch it lightly enough to give a spurt of smoke. It's all you need.
Also look carefully..this test may have been done before!
Your first photo's didn't look much like ivory but the second? Maybe. If they are genuine elaphant ivory they might be worth some bucks by themselves. I have to say..the left grip certainly fits well!

I don't think the pistol is worth a great deal...unless you like it yourself. It's a pimped out shooter...likely with some fairly serious problems ...the rear sight is certainly buggered up.
That's if it even shoots. Does the seller indicate it shoots well? The barrel dosen't look kosher to me.

Not something I would be anxious to put in the safe. But to each their own.

Jerry Burney

DavidJayUden · 09-12-2010, 10:45 PM

The longer barrel makes a better shooter. Overall a real mutt that will eliminate a lot of luger buyers. But not all.
But it is interesting. And I'll stick with the $ figues posted earlier.
Is this what you want or do you want a military P08? You need to decide for yourself.
dju

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lzcypress User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 15 Thanks: 11 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	DWM commercial 30 cal. Did DWM make commercial lugers with engraving? I have been thinking of purchasing this luger, mis-matched #'s, 4 3/4" barrel ser# 86996. Any information would be helpful. Attached Thumbnails

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Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	How much engraving? Looks ok so far as Alan suggested? Can we see right and left? ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

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alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	No, and that is not the original back sight, either. This gun has been modified to someone's taste and would not interest a collector. It may, however, make a great shooter with a nice touch of engraving if the price is right.

09-12-2010, 07:42 AM	#4
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Are the grips genuine ivory or some synthetic? That would also influence the price. It's odd that someone would lavish this much attention on a mismatched gun.

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lzcypress User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 15 Thanks: 11 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	a different picture Attached Thumbnails

09-12-2010, 08:02 AM	#9
lzcypress User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 15 Thanks: 11 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The seller says, ivory grips, but he has the original grips. This was given to him by his father in law. A gunsmith told him that it was a 1921 commercial luger. I have more pictures, but I don't know how to reduce the size. I will be glad to send them. e-mail me and I will foward pictures. zylicz3@sbcglobal.net Thanks for the imput. Larry

09-12-2010, 09:12 AM	#10
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	4 3/4" barrel?

09-12-2010, 09:59 AM	#12
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	What is he wanting for it? The rear sight is pretty cheesy and it has no collector value, but nevertheless it does have a bit of charm. The question is how much is charm worth to you? I'd say $500 to $600 is OK, $800 or more walk away from it never looking back. But remember that .30 is pricey to shoot so you are buying a charming paper weight. dju

09-12-2010, 01:38 PM	#13
Mauser720 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 535 Thanks: 18 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	postino - Did you notice someone has put a flip-up rear peep sight in front of the rear sight too? (looks a little crudely made IMHO) I could be wrong, but I do not think those are genuine ivory grips. Anyone disagree? __________________ Mauser720 - Ron "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it."

09-12-2010, 03:19 PM	#15
lzcypress User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 15 Thanks: 11 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I was incorrect about the barrel length. It is a 6" barrel. The seller says that they are ivory grips. He will be fowarding me pictures of both sides.

09-12-2010, 04:26 PM	#16
lzcypress User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 15 Thanks: 11 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	right side Attached Thumbnails

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lzcypress User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 15 Thanks: 11 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	left side Attached Thumbnails

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lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	you can tell if it is real ivory with a red-hot needle...but it's not a popular test... You heat the needle to red hot and touch the underside of the grip in an out of the way place. If it smells like burning hair, it is genuine ivory. If it smells like plastic...that's what it is. The hot needle will not plunge in if it's ivory but if it's plastic be careful, it could penetrate the other side. I just touch it lightly enough to give a spurt of smoke. It's all you need. Also look carefully..this test may have been done before! Your first photo's didn't look much like ivory but the second? Maybe. If they are genuine elaphant ivory they might be worth some bucks by themselves. I have to say..the left grip certainly fits well! I don't think the pistol is worth a great deal...unless you like it yourself. It's a pimped out shooter...likely with some fairly serious problems ...the rear sight is certainly buggered up. That's if it even shoots. Does the seller indicate it shoots well? The barrel dosen't look kosher to me. Not something I would be anxious to put in the safe. But to each their own. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-12-2010, 10:45 PM	#20
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	The longer barrel makes a better shooter. Overall a real mutt that will eliminate a lot of luger buyers. But not all. But it is interesting. And I'll stick with the $ figues posted earlier. Is this what you want or do you want a military P08? You need to decide for yourself. dju