Newbie with a 1914 Erfurt

dwcross · 04-01-2010, 07:00 PM

My late step-father captured a 1914 Erfurt in WW2. I have the captured enemy equipment certificate, and a narrative on how he found the gun. I'm trying to get a value on it. It has matching numbers except clips, holster, high % of strawing, 4" barrell. Hasn't been fired since capture. Is there anyone in Eastern North Carolina who can help me put a value on this gun?

sheepherder · 04-01-2010, 07:12 PM

If you can take a bunch of pics, someone here will venture a guess as to what it's worth...

drbuster · 04-01-2010, 09:14 PM

David, with the exception of fakes, there are two types of 1914 non artillery Erfurts out there. Keep in mind that with the exception of the 1910 dated Erfurt (only 2 known) that only 7000 approx. were made with the 4 inch barrel (Still's Imperial Lugers). One type is the genuine type, with several important characteristics, including a serial number with no suffix, or an "a" suffix, an unrelieved trigger sear bar, proofs on the grip screws and last but not least, 2 acceptance marks on the wooden magazine botton. The other type of Erfurt 1914, does not possess these features, that is to say, the sear bar is relieved, almost any suffix is seen and only one acceptance mark is on the magazine bottom. It is believed by many, that these latter variants were made up, possibly after WW1 from existant parts. Of course the former "real" 1914 is felt to command a higher price. What that price is would be determined by the gun's condition. Thus is is imperative that pictures be posted to get any meaningful assessment.

Edward Tinker · 04-01-2010, 10:01 PM

David, I would love to hear more? I am collecting real stories of bring back items for my 2nd vol of Veteran Bring Backs

email if interested, full accrediation is given to the owner / author ; need story, pictures, etc.

ed_tinker@hotmail.com

ed

FNorm · 04-01-2010, 10:07 PM

David see: albums, page 3, 1914 Erfurt. To see what all DrBuster is talking about.

FN

drbuster · 04-02-2010, 09:50 PM

Fred, your 1914 Erfurt #7342 is the real "McCoy". Thanks for the album lead. I hope David gets a chance to see it and to respond to our requests for photos.

FNorm · 04-03-2010, 08:48 AM

Yeah, DocB. I got lucky my first time out. it came with matching mag, and a 1915 holster w/ extra period mag.

I say lucky, but it was all due to studying/reading on this Forum. Lots to learn here from great people willing to share.

FN

04-01-2010, 07:00 PM	#1
dwcross New User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Eastern North Carolina Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Newbie with a 1914 Erfurt My late step-father captured a 1914 Erfurt in WW2. I have the captured enemy equipment certificate, and a narrative on how he found the gun. I'm trying to get a value on it. It has matching numbers except clips, holster, high % of strawing, 4" barrell. Hasn't been fired since capture. Is there anyone in Eastern North Carolina who can help me put a value on this gun?

04-01-2010, 10:01 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,962 Thanks: 2,063 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	David, I would love to hear more? I am collecting real stories of bring back items for my 2nd vol of Veteran Bring Backs email if interested, full accrediation is given to the owner / author ; need story, pictures, etc. ed_tinker@hotmail.com ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

04-01-2010, 07:12 PM	#2
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,195 Thanks: 1,414 Thanked 4,462 Times in 2,336 Posts	If you can take a bunch of pics, someone here will venture a guess as to what it's worth...

04-01-2010, 09:14 PM	#3
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	David, with the exception of fakes, there are two types of 1914 non artillery Erfurts out there. Keep in mind that with the exception of the 1910 dated Erfurt (only 2 known) that only 7000 approx. were made with the 4 inch barrel (Still's Imperial Lugers). One type is the genuine type, with several important characteristics, including a serial number with no suffix, or an "a" suffix, an unrelieved trigger sear bar, proofs on the grip screws and last but not least, 2 acceptance marks on the wooden magazine botton. The other type of Erfurt 1914, does not possess these features, that is to say, the sear bar is relieved, almost any suffix is seen and only one acceptance mark is on the magazine bottom. It is believed by many, that these latter variants were made up, possibly after WW1 from existant parts. Of course the former "real" 1914 is felt to command a higher price. What that price is would be determined by the gun's condition. Thus is is imperative that pictures be posted to get any meaningful assessment.

04-01-2010, 10:07 PM	#5
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	David see: albums, page 3, 1914 Erfurt. To see what all DrBuster is talking about. FN

04-02-2010, 09:50 PM	#6
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Fred, your 1914 Erfurt #7342 is the real "McCoy". Thanks for the album lead. I hope David gets a chance to see it and to respond to our requests for photos.

04-03-2010, 08:48 AM	#7
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Yeah, DocB. I got lucky my first time out. it came with matching mag, and a 1915 holster w/ extra period mag. I say lucky, but it was all due to studying/reading on this Forum. Lots to learn here from great people willing to share. FN Last edited by FNorm; 04-03-2010 at 09:01 AM. Reason: add