ID help?

Inspect1 · 12-23-2009, 11:58 AM

Hello, I stumbles upon this forum and have been reading alot. I have a Luger that I will be buying from a family member. I would like some help Identifying what it is a and a fair price for both parties.

alanint · 12-23-2009, 12:06 PM

Welcome to the forum,

You are missing the one photo, which would provide the most information about the gun. This would be a shot of the entire upper part of the gun, then individual shots of the top of the toggle and the top of the chamber.
Is there a letter suffix after the serial number on the front of the frame?
Do all numbers match? you must take the gun down in order to determine if the trigger, bolt, hold open and firing pin also match the rest of the pistol.
Does the magazine have a matching number?

All these factors will influence value.

Thor · 12-23-2009, 12:36 PM

I am guessing a 1940/42

Inspect1 · 12-23-2009, 01:14 PM

Thanks for the help. Maybe these pics will help. The front serial # has a squigely lin under it. The mag # does not match.

Edward Tinker · 12-23-2009, 01:44 PM

Pictures are great, but for new posters to the forum; please include serial number in the text, top of receiver marking, any markings on the gripstrap, and proofs and acceptance.

Value depends on your location; what country are you from? There is no location, such as state in your profile?

Welcome to the forum!

Ed

Inspect1 · 12-23-2009, 02:19 PM

The serial # is 1319. with the 19 showing in all parts. Top receiver shows 42. No markings do I see in the gripstrap. Thanks again, Robert

alanint · 12-23-2009, 02:31 PM

Robert,
The squiggly line under the serial number is a letter. Try to determine what that letter is. Get others who have experience with this type of font to help.

The back sight groove appears to have been widened and squared off.
Nice 40/42

Inspect1 · 12-23-2009, 03:00 PM

Maybe you can see and translate the squigley, a cursive r or n maybee. Nice catch on the rear site modification, I had not even noticed. You guys are alot of good info here! Robert

alanint · 12-23-2009, 04:21 PM

Robert,

It is an "N".

The gun is known loosely in collecting circles as a "Black Widow", although that term is purely some dealer's invention and has no basis in history. Is was manufactured by Mauser.
Although it was made in 1940, guys with production tables will give you an approximate month of manufacture and others will provide a rough value in today's market

FNorm · 12-23-2009, 07:14 PM

'N' Seres was the last series of 1940. Stopped at 7000n. Total of 135,700 made

Norme · 12-23-2009, 07:42 PM

Hi, Although a 1940 42 is a very common variation, the Black Widow grips are seldom found on 1940s. On the down side, the finish is thinning, particularly on the grip straps, and it's too bad that someone took a file to that rear sight (keen eyes Alan).
I think that $1,500.00 would be on the high side for this gun, and $1,00.00 too low. If you and your relative settle on $1,250.00, I think it would be fair to both of you. Regards, Norm

Mike B · 12-23-2009, 07:56 PM

For what it is worth I have a 1940/42 serial number 2046n. Only a couple hundred from yours. Probably made the same day. You might want to report your serial number to the other forum (Jan Still's), as there is a study being conducted for plastic grips on various models.

Mike

Inspect1 · 12-24-2009, 09:20 AM

Thanks for all the help. You guys are a wealth of knowledge on this. I'll have to admit that through my researching this, it has sparked an interest in these pistols. i never new there were so many variations...I will be keeping an eye out for others. Also in this deal is a P 38 with holster and extra mag., are you guys the authority on these as well? If not could you direct me to the "source". Thanks again, Merry Christmas and God Bless, Robert

alanint · 12-24-2009, 09:46 AM

well, just amble on over to our sister site

http://www.p38forum.com/

Tell 'em we sent ya!

Inspect1 · 12-24-2009, 11:24 AM

It's me again, I tried to post on the P 38 forum and could not load pics there. I thought maybe load em here and some of you admin guys could move it????? Robert

Good morning, I am going to buy this pistol from a family member. I would appreciate any help as to value. The Luger forum guys were awesome on helping with a luger value. I will try and post pics. It has the holster and extra magazine. Thanks in advance and God Bless, Robert

12-23-2009, 11:58 AM	#1
Inspect1 User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Missouri Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	ID help? Hello, I stumbles upon this forum and have been reading alot. I have a Luger that I will be buying from a family member. I would like some help Identifying what it is a and a fair price for both parties. Attached Thumbnails

12-23-2009, 12:36 PM	#3
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	I am guessing a 1940/42 __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

12-23-2009, 01:14 PM	#4
Inspect1 User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Missouri Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the help. Maybe these pics will help. The front serial # has a squigely lin under it. The mag # does not match. Attached Thumbnails

12-23-2009, 01:44 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	Pictures are great, but for new posters to the forum; please include serial number in the text, top of receiver marking, any markings on the gripstrap, and proofs and acceptance. Value depends on your location; what country are you from? There is no location, such as state in your profile? Welcome to the forum! Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-23-2009, 03:00 PM	#8
Inspect1 User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Missouri Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Maybe you can see and translate the squigley, a cursive r or n maybee. Nice catch on the rear site modification, I had not even noticed. You guys are alot of good info here! Robert Attached Thumbnails

12-23-2009, 12:06 PM	#2
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Welcome to the forum, You are missing the one photo, which would provide the most information about the gun. This would be a shot of the entire upper part of the gun, then individual shots of the top of the toggle and the top of the chamber. Is there a letter suffix after the serial number on the front of the frame? Do all numbers match? you must take the gun down in order to determine if the trigger, bolt, hold open and firing pin also match the rest of the pistol. Does the magazine have a matching number? All these factors will influence value.

12-23-2009, 02:19 PM	#6
Inspect1 User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Missouri Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The serial # is 1319. with the 19 showing in all parts. Top receiver shows 42. No markings do I see in the gripstrap. Thanks again, Robert

12-23-2009, 02:31 PM	#7
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Robert, The squiggly line under the serial number is a letter. Try to determine what that letter is. Get others who have experience with this type of font to help. The back sight groove appears to have been widened and squared off. Nice 40/42

12-23-2009, 04:21 PM	#9
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Robert, It is an "N". The gun is known loosely in collecting circles as a "Black Widow", although that term is purely some dealer's invention and has no basis in history. Is was manufactured by Mauser. Although it was made in 1940, guys with production tables will give you an approximate month of manufacture and others will provide a rough value in today's market

12-23-2009, 07:14 PM	#10
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	'N' Seres was the last series of 1940. Stopped at 7000n. Total of 135,700 made

12-23-2009, 07:42 PM	#11
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	Hi, Although a 1940 42 is a very common variation, the Black Widow grips are seldom found on 1940s. On the down side, the finish is thinning, particularly on the grip straps, and it's too bad that someone took a file to that rear sight (keen eyes Alan). I think that $1,500.00 would be on the high side for this gun, and $1,00.00 too low. If you and your relative settle on $1,250.00, I think it would be fair to both of you. Regards, Norm

12-23-2009, 07:56 PM	#12
Mike B Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 979 Thanks: 1 Thanked 272 Times in 100 Posts	For what it is worth I have a 1940/42 serial number 2046n. Only a couple hundred from yours. Probably made the same day. You might want to report your serial number to the other forum (Jan Still's), as there is a study being conducted for plastic grips on various models. Mike

12-24-2009, 09:20 AM	#13
Inspect1 User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Missouri Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for all the help. You guys are a wealth of knowledge on this. I'll have to admit that through my researching this, it has sparked an interest in these pistols. i never new there were so many variations...I will be keeping an eye out for others. Also in this deal is a P 38 with holster and extra mag., are you guys the authority on these as well? If not could you direct me to the "source". Thanks again, Merry Christmas and God Bless, Robert

12-24-2009, 09:46 AM	#14
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	well, just amble on over to our sister site http://www.p38forum.com/ Tell 'em we sent ya!

12-24-2009, 11:24 AM	#15
Inspect1 User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Missouri Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	It's me again, I tried to post on the P 38 forum and could not load pics there. I thought maybe load em here and some of you admin guys could move it????? Robert Good morning, I am going to buy this pistol from a family member. I would appreciate any help as to value. The Luger forum guys were awesome on helping with a luger value. I will try and post pics. It has the holster and extra magazine. Thanks in advance and God Bless, Robert Attached Thumbnails