MOUSER LUGER 1939 "42" with special seal

flyboy800 · 12-04-2009, 05:08 PM

I'm a new member and owner of a Mouser Luger 1939 "42" stamped with what I believe is a lower case "v" below the serial number. No big deal, right? Value between $2000 and $4000 What I can't find info on, is the non-standard grip that's on it. The wood grip is smooth, not hexed and has a round emblem on the left grip. It has a swastika on it with a small house and what I believe are the initials of the solder. I believe this gun was given special as an award for valor. Is this true and how much does it increase its value? Anyone please help, ask your friends. Thank you for your time.

Update: What a great web site for Luger info. Great members. Thank you. Here is the info on the pin:

DSB or Badge of the German Homeowners Association (Deutsches Siedlerbundabzeichen). Founded in 1933 and still in existance today. It's estimated that only 32,000 DSB badges were produced prior to 1945 so quite a scarce badge.

Ron Smith · 12-04-2009, 06:03 PM

Jim,

Welcome to the forum.

You have a nice 1939 42 Mauser Luger. However the grips are made up later to decorate it. The medallion is a "Deutscher Saengerbund" (German Singer's Association) lapel pin, I believe. I could be wrong, but don't think so. It has nothing to do with the pistol, nor the history of the pistol. Someone, possibly the Vet who brought it home wanted to dress it up, and probably didn't have any idea what the medallion represented.

If it was a presentation piece, the grips would fit much better. Note the gap at the top rear, below the safety. If you can find a set of nice original Mauser checkered wood grips, it would be closer to what it should be and correct.

Ron

flyboy800 · 12-04-2009, 06:32 PM

Thank you for the quick replies. The grip did fit right, but the previous owner broke off a piece when forcing the grip back on after cleaning. JIM

suum cuique · 12-04-2009, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Smith

Jim,

Welcome to the forum.

You have a nice 1939 42 Mauser Luger. However the grips are made up later to decorate it. The medallion is a "Deutscher Saengerbund" (German Singer's Association) lapel pin, I believe. I could be wrong, but don't think so. It has nothing to do with the pistol, nor the history of the pistol. Someone, possibly the Vet who brought it home wanted to dress it up, and probably didn't have any idea what the medallion represented.

If it was a presentation piece, the grips would fit much better. Note the gap at the top rear, below the safety. If you can find a set of nice original Mauser checkered wood grips, it would be closer to what it should be and correct.

Ron

Yes, DSB could be Deutscher Saengerbund or Deutscher Schuetzenbund.(German Shooters Association) like NRA.
D S B stands nowadays for "Deutscher Sport-Bund", German Sport Association.
But : I 'm sure this pin is neither of one of those organisations.
The "S" within the Saengerbund DSB logo was designed as a treble clef.
The Schuetzenbund logo had a "target" in its logo.
Why is a house in this pin?

I guess somebody just put a swastica pin on some aftermarket grips.

I think it would be a good idea to get a nice set of original grips back on.

apis mellifera · 12-04-2009, 07:53 PM

FYI: I have a 1939 42. It was purchased on 2 Feb 2009 for $700. It is in similar condition, but has the correct grips and aftermarket magazine.

I believe your value estimate is on the high side and agree with the previous comments suggesting the fitment of original grips.

BTW, The link below shows the pin used by whoever made your grips:
http://www.themilitarycellaruk.co.uk...rw=1&sort=name

sheepherder · 12-04-2009, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by apis mellifera

BTW, The link below shows the pin used by whoever made your grips:
http://www.themilitarycellaruk.co.uk...rw=1&sort=name

German Homeowners Association (Deutsches Siedlerbundabzeichen)???

Why on earth would anyone inlet that into a Luger grip???

heers68 · 12-04-2009, 09:48 PM

Some people think anything with a swastika on it must be some ominus SS killer item! As stated allready,they had no idea what the pin really was and liked the eagle and swastika,never mind the house in the middle!

Good looking Luger though!

Ice · 12-04-2009, 06:04 PM

Nice Luger but your grips with medallion were probably added by an American soldier post war. German soldiers in wartime simply did not do things like that to their sidearms. We would like to have more photos of your pistol though. It looks like a nice one.

Charlie

flyboy800 · 12-04-2009, 08:42 PM

You are right about the pin. Thank you for the info. I will ad it to my post.

A wealthy friend of my fathers bought the gun for him at a gun show. The seller told him it was the soldiers initials and given for valor. I guess they saw him coming. Just another reason to check out this web sight before you buy a Luger of your own.

Where should I start the search for some grips??

apis mellifera · 12-04-2009, 08:57 PM

I'm sure someone here will have a set. Otherwise, GunBroker and Luger Gunboard are good places to look.

Most Luger-related stories of the fantastic should be taken with a grain of salt...sometime a whole shaker's worth. In the short time I've been involved with this site, I've read the presentation/officers Luger story several times. At least yours isn't chrome plated!

This site is one of the best places for accurate information BTW.

Lugerdoc · 12-05-2009, 08:25 AM

I may have an original left side grip to match the condition of your right side, although most military PO8 grips are serialize on the inside. I'd suggest sending me a photo of your right side. I too have had a few lugers with badges inlayed in the grips (Party badges or Luftwaffe eagles) which was commonly done by some GIs. I've attemped shooting Jack Rabbits with my luger, but have yet to try mice. TH

12-04-2009, 05:08 PM	#1
flyboy800 New User Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	MOUSER LUGER 1939 "42" with special seal I'm a new member and owner of a Mouser Luger 1939 "42" stamped with what I believe is a lower case "v" below the serial number. No big deal, right? Value between $2000 and $4000 What I can't find info on, is the non-standard grip that's on it. The wood grip is smooth, not hexed and has a round emblem on the left grip. It has a swastika on it with a small house and what I believe are the initials of the solder. I believe this gun was given special as an award for valor. Is this true and how much does it increase its value? Anyone please help, ask your friends. Thank you for your time. Update: What a great web site for Luger info. Great members. Thank you. Here is the info on the pin: DSB or Badge of the German Homeowners Association (Deutsches Siedlerbundabzeichen). Founded in 1933 and still in existance today. It's estimated that only 32,000 DSB badges were produced prior to 1945 so quite a scarce badge. Attached Images Last edited by flyboy800; 12-04-2009 at 08:53 PM. Reason: added info

12-04-2009, 06:03 PM	#2
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Jim, Welcome to the forum. You have a nice 1939 42 Mauser Luger. However the grips are made up later to decorate it. The medallion is a "Deutscher Saengerbund" (German Singer's Association) lapel pin, I believe. I could be wrong, but don't think so. It has nothing to do with the pistol, nor the history of the pistol. Someone, possibly the Vet who brought it home wanted to dress it up, and probably didn't have any idea what the medallion represented. If it was a presentation piece, the grips would fit much better. Note the gap at the top rear, below the safety. If you can find a set of nice original Mauser checkered wood grips, it would be closer to what it should be and correct. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

12-04-2009, 07:53 PM	#5
apis mellifera User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: WV Posts: 149 Thanks: 3 Thanked 24 Times in 8 Posts	FYI: I have a 1939 42. It was purchased on 2 Feb 2009 for $700. It is in similar condition, but has the correct grips and aftermarket magazine. I believe your value estimate is on the high side and agree with the previous comments suggesting the fitment of original grips. BTW, The link below shows the pin used by whoever made your grips: http://www.themilitarycellaruk.co.uk...rw=1&sort=name Last edited by apis mellifera; 12-04-2009 at 08:17 PM. Reason: Added link

12-05-2009, 08:25 AM	#11
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	I may have an original left side grip to match the condition of your right side, although most military PO8 grips are serialize on the inside. I'd suggest sending me a photo of your right side. I too have had a few lugers with badges inlayed in the grips (Party badges or Luftwaffe eagles) which was commonly done by some GIs. I've attemped shooting Jack Rabbits with my luger, but have yet to try mice. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

12-04-2009, 06:32 PM	#3
flyboy800 New User Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you for the quick replies. The grip did fit right, but the previous owner broke off a piece when forcing the grip back on after cleaning. JIM

12-04-2009, 09:48 PM	#7
heers68 User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: N.C. Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Some people think anything with a swastika on it must be some ominus SS killer item! As stated allready,they had no idea what the pin really was and liked the eagle and swastika,never mind the house in the middle! Good looking Luger though!

12-04-2009, 06:04 PM	#8
Ice User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 552 Thanks: 13 Thanked 69 Times in 57 Posts	Nice Luger but your grips with medallion were probably added by an American soldier post war. German soldiers in wartime simply did not do things like that to their sidearms. We would like to have more photos of your pistol though. It looks like a nice one. Charlie

12-04-2009, 08:42 PM	#9
flyboy800 New User Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	You are right about the pin. Thank you for the info. I will ad it to my post. A wealthy friend of my fathers bought the gun for him at a gun show. The seller told him it was the soldiers initials and given for valor. I guess they saw him coming. Just another reason to check out this web sight before you buy a Luger of your own. Where should I start the search for some grips??

12-04-2009, 08:57 PM	#10
apis mellifera User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: WV Posts: 149 Thanks: 3 Thanked 24 Times in 8 Posts	I'm sure someone here will have a set. Otherwise, GunBroker and Luger Gunboard are good places to look. Most Luger-related stories of the fantastic should be taken with a grain of salt...sometime a whole shaker's worth. In the short time I've been involved with this site, I've read the presentation/officers Luger story several times. At least yours isn't chrome plated! This site is one of the best places for accurate information BTW.