Can non C&R send Luger USPS Priority?

DavidJayUden · 01-25-2009, 02:29 PM

Is there any consensus as to whether a non licencee (no C&R and no FFL) can send a Luger thru USPS Priority to a C&R or FFL holder? Seems pretty murky to me.
DJU

alvin · 01-25-2009, 02:34 PM

In theory, no. Pre-1899 antique is OK under current regulation.

Ron Smith · 01-25-2009, 03:03 PM

Only an FFL holder can ship a handgun to an FFL holder via USPS, FFL to FFL ONLY . It's a Postal Regulation that conflicts with BATF Regulations. Long guns are not subject to this regulation and may be shipped by a private indiviual to an FFL holder only.

John Sabato · 01-26-2009, 02:15 PM

Ron forgot to mention that he is a retired postal worker... so I would lend a lot of credence to his advice...

You CAN send a C&R to a C&R holder if you have a signed copy of his license and you send it OVERNIGHT via FEDEX... not the USPS.

alvin · 01-26-2009, 04:06 PM

On package label, it's best *not* putting any word associated with "gun". Some FFLs were issued to the businesses with names like "ABC Gunsmith" or "XYZ Pawn Store of Jewelry and Guns"...... no, no

By package of this size, this weight, destinated to this address, what can be in the box...... those things have resale value so very easy to get lost in transportation. Plain label, package well, and shipping via Fedex or UPS should work.

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That's not required by regulations. Just for seller and buyer's own goodness.

Ron Smith · 01-26-2009, 04:50 PM

I would add that there has been extensive debate as to whether a C&R is considered an FFL. And if a C&R is allowable for shipping through USPS. It is, it's an FFL 03. The regulations state FFL Dealer to FFL Dealer. However the term Dealer is ancillary and was used in conjuction with FFL when the regs were written.

I have talked with 3 or 4 Postal Inspectors concerning the translation. One said he wasn't sure. The others all said that an FFL is an FFL, that the regs were meant to pertain to a "licensed person as opposed to a non-licensed person. The regs were written when the only FFL was an 01, or a general "Dealer's" License.

U.S. Postal Sevice. "200 yrs of tradition unhampered by progress".

Ron

01-25-2009, 02:29 PM	#1
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Can non C&R send Luger USPS Priority? Is there any consensus as to whether a non licencee (no C&R and no FFL) can send a Luger thru USPS Priority to a C&R or FFL holder? Seems pretty murky to me. DJU

01-25-2009, 02:34 PM	#2
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	In theory, no. Pre-1899 antique is OK under current regulation. Last edited by alvin; 01-25-2009 at 03:33 PM.

01-25-2009, 03:03 PM	#3
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Only an FFL holder can ship a handgun to an FFL holder via USPS, FFL to FFL ONLY . It's a Postal Regulation that conflicts with BATF Regulations. Long guns are not subject to this regulation and may be shipped by a private indiviual to an FFL holder only. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

01-26-2009, 02:15 PM	#4
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Ron forgot to mention that he is a retired postal worker... so I would lend a lot of credence to his advice... You CAN send a C&R to a C&R holder if you have a signed copy of his license and you send it OVERNIGHT via FEDEX... not the USPS. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

01-26-2009, 04:06 PM	#5
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	On package label, it's best not putting any word associated with "gun". Some FFLs were issued to the businesses with names like "ABC Gunsmith" or "XYZ Pawn Store of Jewelry and Guns"...... no, no By package of this size, this weight, destinated to this address, what can be in the box...... those things have resale value so very easy to get lost in transportation. Plain label, package well, and shipping via Fedex or UPS should work. ==== That's not required by regulations. Just for seller and buyer's own goodness. Last edited by alvin; 01-26-2009 at 04:37 PM.

01-26-2009, 04:50 PM	#6
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	I would add that there has been extensive debate as to whether a C&R is considered an FFL. And if a C&R is allowable for shipping through USPS. It is, it's an FFL 03. The regulations state FFL Dealer to FFL Dealer. However the term Dealer is ancillary and was used in conjuction with FFL when the regs were written. I have talked with 3 or 4 Postal Inspectors concerning the translation. One said he wasn't sure. The others all said that an FFL is an FFL, that the regs were meant to pertain to a "licensed person as opposed to a non-licensed person. The regs were written when the only FFL was an 01, or a general "Dealer's" License. U.S. Postal Sevice. "200 yrs of tradition unhampered by progress". Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...