Unique Model 16

dhusker · 08-26-2008, 04:08 AM

I now have pictures so I wil try this again. I was given a pistol several weeks ago....a Unique model 16 with Waffenamt stamps on the barrel and frame. An interesting feature is a diamond on the left grip panel that has the center ground off. The previous owner thought that it had the Hitlerjungend symbol on the diamond area, but it was ground off at the end of the war, and that 200 of these were issued to the Hitlerjugend Can anyone help me out with some more information. I also cross posted this o Gunboards.[IMG]

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davidkachel · 08-27-2008, 02:10 PM

What you have is a "Ruby" made in Northern Spain.
Now the problem is, which flavor of Ruby? There were nearly 40 Spanish factories all making pretty much the same pistol. To make matters worse, some were intentionally mislabeled to make it appear they came from somewhere other than Spain because of the horrible reputation of Spanish guns at the time. Hence, French and English model names that often make no sense or seem childish.

These were cheap, mostly junk guns supplied primarily to the French (WWI) because the Germans got hold of French small arms factories early in the war and the French therefore had to look elsewhere.

Nazi proofs on these guns are very likely to be faked.

dhusker · 08-27-2008, 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by davidkachel
What you have is a "Ruby" made in Northern Spain.
Now the problem is, which flavor of Ruby? There were nearly 40 Spanish factories all making pretty much the same pistol. To make matters worse, some were intentionally mislabeled to make it appear they came from somewhere other than Spain because of the horrible reputation of Spanish guns at the time. Hence, French and English model names that often make no sense or seem childish.

These were cheap, mostly junk guns supplied primarily to the French (WWI) because the Germans got hold of French small arms factories early in the war and the French therefore had to look elsewhere.

Nazi proofs on these guns are very likely to be faked.

Thanks for all the good info. I have a question to ask. How does one tell that the gun is a
Ruby and not authentic? Thanks.

Dan

Greg G · 08-27-2008, 06:33 PM

Looks to me like the Unique Model 16 pictured on page 95 of Jan Still's Axis Pistols book. The serial numbers are even pretty close. It does look like a RUBY type pistol.

As far as the Hitler Youth emblem, I have never heard that they were issued pistols.

08-26-2008, 04:08 AM	#1
dhusker User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Nebraska Posts: 44 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Unique Model 16 I now have pictures so I wil try this again. I was given a pistol several weeks ago....a Unique model 16 with Waffenamt stamps on the barrel and frame. An interesting feature is a diamond on the left grip panel that has the center ground off. The previous owner thought that it had the Hitlerjungend symbol on the diamond area, but it was ground off at the end of the war, and that 200 of these were issued to the Hitlerjugend Can anyone help me out with some more information. I also cross posted this o Gunboards.[IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG] __________________ Those who beat their swords into plowshares, will find themselves plowing their victor's fields.

08-27-2008, 02:10 PM	#2
davidkachel User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 784 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	What you have is a "Ruby" made in Northern Spain. Now the problem is, which flavor of Ruby? There were nearly 40 Spanish factories all making pretty much the same pistol. To make matters worse, some were intentionally mislabeled to make it appear they came from somewhere other than Spain because of the horrible reputation of Spanish guns at the time. Hence, French and English model names that often make no sense or seem childish. These were cheap, mostly junk guns supplied primarily to the French (WWI) because the Germans got hold of French small arms factories early in the war and the French therefore had to look elsewhere. Nazi proofs on these guns are very likely to be faked. __________________ A heroin habit would be cheaper.

08-27-2008, 06:33 PM	#4
Greg G User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: TX Posts: 65 Thanks: 15 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Looks to me like the Unique Model 16 pictured on page 95 of Jan Still's Axis Pistols book. The serial numbers are even pretty close. It does look like a RUBY type pistol. As far as the Hitler Youth emblem, I have never heard that they were issued pistols.