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dhusker 08-26-2008 04:08 AM

Unique Model 16
 
I now have pictures so I wil try this again. I was given a pistol several weeks ago....a Unique model 16 with Waffenamt stamps on the barrel and frame. An interesting feature is a diamond on the left grip panel that has the center ground off. The previous owner thought that it had the Hitlerjungend symbol on the diamond area, but it was ground off at the end of the war, and that 200 of these were issued to the Hitlerjugend Can anyone help me out with some more information. I also cross posted this o Gunboards.[IMG]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y15...k/DSC_0857.jpg[/IMG]
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davidkachel 08-27-2008 02:10 PM

What you have is a "Ruby" made in Northern Spain.
Now the problem is, which flavor of Ruby? There were nearly 40 Spanish factories all making pretty much the same pistol. To make matters worse, some were intentionally mislabeled to make it appear they came from somewhere other than Spain because of the horrible reputation of Spanish guns at the time. Hence, French and English model names that often make no sense or seem childish.

These were cheap, mostly junk guns supplied primarily to the French (WWI) because the Germans got hold of French small arms factories early in the war and the French therefore had to look elsewhere.

Nazi proofs on these guns are very likely to be faked.

dhusker 08-27-2008 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by davidkachel
What you have is a "Ruby" made in Northern Spain.
Now the problem is, which flavor of Ruby? There were nearly 40 Spanish factories all making pretty much the same pistol. To make matters worse, some were intentionally mislabeled to make it appear they came from somewhere other than Spain because of the horrible reputation of Spanish guns at the time. Hence, French and English model names that often make no sense or seem childish.

These were cheap, mostly junk guns supplied primarily to the French (WWI) because the Germans got hold of French small arms factories early in the war and the French therefore had to look elsewhere.

Nazi proofs on these guns are very likely to be faked.


Thanks for all the good info. I have a question to ask. How does one tell that the gun is a
Ruby and not authentic? Thanks.

Dan

Greg G 08-27-2008 06:33 PM

Looks to me like the Unique Model 16 pictured on page 95 of Jan Still's Axis Pistols book. The serial numbers are even pretty close. It does look like a RUBY type pistol.

As far as the Hitler Youth emblem, I have never heard that they were issued pistols.


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