Are these real?

vit · 04-06-2007, 09:12 PM

Are these Black Widow grips? They look exactly same as the one from this auction, including some of the inperfections. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=66710202
I'm a bit confused as mine do not have the fiberous look that I have observed in bakelite.
TIA
Vit

John Sabato · 04-09-2007, 07:11 PM

Sorry my friend, but these appear to me to be reproduction grips. The border around the edge is too wide, and the finish on the inside is not the quality you find in genuine bakelite grips of the period.

Pete Ebbink · 04-09-2007, 10:03 PM

VIT,

If you are looking to buy, this pair now running on the France-side of eBay looks a lot more promising :

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...9249&rd=1&rd=1

Mckenzie · 04-10-2007, 12:27 AM

Hi all, this is a bad photo I took back in the fifties. I bought this luger from the vet that brought it back for forty dollars. Notice the gloss finish on the grip. Do any of the real grips that you collectors own have this finish? Luger was original when I got it. Being young and not knowing any better I had it reblued. Pistol was stolen over twenty years ago so no more pictures. John

Sieger · 04-10-2007, 02:06 AM

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Originally posted by Mckenzie
Hi all, this is a bad photo I took back in the fifties. I bought this luger from the vet that brought it back for forty dollars. Notice the gloss finish on the grip. Do any of the real grips that you collectors own have this finish? Luger was original when I got it. Being young and not knowing any better I had it reblued. Pistol was stolen over twenty years ago so no more pictures. John

Hi:

Lugers in the 50s were selling for $25.00 max.

Why did you pay $40.00 for a gun that needed reblued?

Sieger

John Sabato · 04-10-2007, 08:32 AM

The "glossy" finish is normal... but it is not like modern plastic... the photo of the pair that were posted by Pete Ebbink appear genuine to me... notice the narrow-ness of the border, especially in the area of the safety lever... and the smooth finish of the interior surfaces... just things to look for...

Lugerdoc · 04-10-2007, 10:14 AM

Mac, The shiny finish of the uncheckered borders is a good indication of original grips, as most repros have dull borders from so many being cast from the same mold, but not foolproof. The weight of original BW grips is heavier than the current repros, being made with a more modern plastic. TH

04-06-2007, 09:12 PM	#1
vit New User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Are these real? Are these Black Widow grips? They look exactly same as the one from this auction, including some of the inperfections. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=66710202 I'm a bit confused as mine do not have the fiberous look that I have observed in bakelite. TIA Vit

04-09-2007, 07:11 PM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Sorry my friend, but these appear to me to be reproduction grips. The border around the edge is too wide, and the finish on the inside is not the quality you find in genuine bakelite grips of the period. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

04-10-2007, 08:32 AM	#6
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	The "glossy" finish is normal... but it is not like modern plastic... the photo of the pair that were posted by Pete Ebbink appear genuine to me... notice the narrow-ness of the border, especially in the area of the safety lever... and the smooth finish of the interior surfaces... just things to look for... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

04-10-2007, 10:14 AM	#7
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	Mac, The shiny finish of the uncheckered borders is a good indication of original grips, as most repros have dull borders from so many being cast from the same mold, but not foolproof. The weight of original BW grips is heavier than the current repros, being made with a more modern plastic. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

04-09-2007, 10:03 PM	#3
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	VIT, If you are looking to buy, this pair now running on the France-side of eBay looks a lot more promising : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...9249&rd=1&rd=1

04-10-2007, 12:27 AM	#4
Mckenzie Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 30 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts	Hi all, this is a bad photo I took back in the fifties. I bought this luger from the vet that brought it back for forty dollars. Notice the gloss finish on the grip. Do any of the real grips that you collectors own have this finish? Luger was original when I got it. Being young and not knowing any better I had it reblued. Pistol was stolen over twenty years ago so no more pictures. John